[kde-edu]: Fwd: kdeedu project

Ilja iljuss+kde-edu at gmail.com
Sun Sep 9 19:38:03 CEST 2007

I'm not able to reply so fast as you, but I'm trying to...

2007/9/8, Saro Engels <ps_ml at gmx.de>:
>> Ok, maybe I can help. But how?
> You actually found a way to complain somewhere, why not providing a
> patch/new version?
>> On that page [http://edu.kde.org/stuff/readme.php] I actually expected
>> to see such "Do you know xhtml, css, php? Want to help? Here are
>> issues: ..." text. But there isn't any.
> Basically this isn't the way it works: normally you find something that
> can be made in a better way; you work on some improvements and either
> send a patch to a mailing list or you change it in our repository.

So when somebody founds a way to complain, but isn't enough good at
programming to fix it immediately (or has currently not enough time to
learn, e.g. whole qt + kde programming, whole cms structure) only to
fix one little bug), you want that he would *not* talk about this issue
before and feel cheap, because he (or maybe she) isn't "skilled enough"?

Maybe there are also people, who don't like so much searching, but
fixing bugs? And it is much more easier to fix, when you know what
exactly you should fix.

>> 1) I could get more information over programs on Wikipedia (and they
>> wasn't much), that on [http://edu.kde.org]
>> 2) It was so hard to see source code and issues
>> 3) *There weren't said anywhere that it shouldn't be so.*
> Kde-edu is a sub project of kde which consists of further sub-projects.
> So everything that applies to KDE applies to kde-edu and to all the
> subprojects as well...

So, you are *not* interested in such people, who don't care
KDE as a whole, don't care about kde-edu, and about its other programs,
but lets say want to make KTouch better?

(And when they are asking direct questions you are sending all of
them indirectly to read the whole project documentation?

Ok, ok, I will read it someday.)

Ok, I understand, that knowing more about KDE is useful, when working
on some bigger programs, like Kword, Konqueror or whatever, but why
should somebody know the the anything about a project only to fix
some little program?

> Btw., Source code can be seen under http://websvn.kde.org - this is one
> of the things which is clear for all kde projects and which shouldn't be
> written on every single project web site.

Yes, I know that, but it was quite hard to find it the first time.

So, you want that they will spend x hours reading general
developer manual and about project structure, only to view the source
code (and make sure they are able to extend it) of *one* application,
instead of providing a direct link to it?

I have couple more questions:
1) Basically you agree [http://edu.kde.org/stuff/get_involved.php], that
   you also need feedback from younger (children) and maybe not always
   expirienced users (parents and teachers), (who are target users,
   actually) but will not make sending it easier, because there are
   some KDE guidelines that prevent you from doing it?

2) Are there also some guidelines, that say, that do not allow
   to provide *also* separate (at least latest stable, maybe because of
   disk space requirements) source tarballs for applications of one
   suite? (e.g. KTouch has original home page too, and it is quite
   easy do download its source tarball from there)

2007/9/9, RalfGesellensetter <rgx at gmx.de>:
> There is a lot of cooperation between KDE-Edu and Debian-Edu, so you can
> choose where to enter the developers' community - in the end we are all
> one big family ;)

You all of you seem quite interested in new developers. I am actually
trying to explain that it is too hard and time consuming enter it
even to a bit advanced user, who on the contrary doesn't know anything
about KDE project organization. And trying to give some suggestions how
you could make this "entering" easier...


Maybe I should write, why I started this topic at all?:

Learning new words in foreign using paper and pencil, together with
spaced repetition [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition] is
very time-consuming. So I decided to find some vocabulary trainer, to
do it more quickly.

I didn't like most of FOSS programs listed in previous link, and
accidently I found KWordQuiz, which seemed a bit better. It wasn't
suitable to me, because I wanted at least 3 columns. But it was said
somewhere, that if you want something more advanced, try KVocTrain.

So I tried it. It was really the best of FOSS programs, but it had
couple too annoying bugs. When I tried to report them first time I
ended reading KDE developers manual for ~1,5 hours. (It was rainy day)
"Why must be bug reporting be hard?" thought I. (Yes, as I wrote
previously, I wasn't smart enough to search "Report bugs" under "Help"

But the next evening I submitted bugs to bugzilla
[http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148970]. (Yes, I know that I
should had report at least undo separately and as feature). As you can
see these (1, 3) are so basic bugs, so I wondered why no one has
noticed submitted them before. (KVocTrain started in 1999. anyway)

So now, couple weeks later I started this topic, why answer is above.



>try Debian-Edu: This Custom Debian Distro is
>based on Debian Etch and installs an entire school environment
>(Servers, Terminals, Workstations, Laptops) from one CD/DVD.

Yes, actually I know about it. But I'm using Debian at home and my school
is some Microsoft-only (ok, there is also Abobe Flash, Reader; Sun's Java
and Mozilla Firefox installed) place, where I don't have (computers boot
up in ~3 minutes and users are forced to use Windows limited accounts) any
access to computers.

About teacher(s), who "administer" computer classrooms - once I wanted
to print some schoolwork, which I have saved as pdf. I politely asked
may I do it - answer was, that oh, our print server doens't support
pdf files - it is only possible to print MS Office files (wtf?!?).

(Namely Adobe Reader 8 (the bloatest one) doesn't offer option to add
printers (like ms office does) in its gui. Printers need to be added
using Start menu->Printers->Add printers, which is too "unlogical")

About official rules in computer classes:
1) it is not allowed to install or remove programs from computers
   (limited accounts anyway)
2) in is not allowed to change configuration of software and hardware
3) ... (and so on)...

So, I'm afraid I can't help, at least currently.



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