[kde-edu]: kde-edu Digest, Vol 49, Issue 10
Agustin Benito
eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com
Thu Apr 26 13:03:12 CEST 2007
Hi all,
ups, I saw your name on the wiki and I assumed you were attending.
Of course I will discuss it here. Now I'm focuse on my trip to Seville but
after that I'll send a paper to this mailing list about this. My intention is
to have it all designed before aKademy so in aKamedy 2007 we have already
started the project with a couple of students working on a kde-edu project.
Bye
El Jueves, 26 de Abril de 2007 11:00, kde-edu-request at mail.kde.org escribió:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:00:41 +0000
> From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704251200.41682.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
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> On Tuesday 24 April 2007 20:23:54 Jason Harris wrote:
> > Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
> > > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll
> > > find maintainers.
> >
> > Sure, here's what I meant in detail:
> >
> > First, compile a list of the program's expected behaviors. Every single
> > action the user can take while interacting with the program should be
> > included. For example, the behaviors list for KAnagram might look like
> > the following:
> >
> > 1. Menu functions
> > + Quit program
> > + About KAnagram
> > + About KDE
> > _ KAnagram Handbook
> > _ Configure Kanagram opens the dialog
> > _ Next word presents the next puzzle
> >
> > 2. General gameplay
> > _ Correct answer flashes green in edit line, presents a new puzzle
> > _ Incorrect answer flashes red in edit line
> > _ Clicking "Hint" shows a hint (for a short period?)
> > _ Clicking "reveal word" shows the correct answer
> > _ Clicking on the category name switches to the next category
> > _ leading and trailing whitespace is ignored when checking for a
> > correct answer
> > _ An answer is submitted by pressing the Enter key, or by clicking on
> > the "Up arrow" button next to the line edit.
> > B Mouse cursor changes to the "click hand" over all active elements
> > X Gameplay sounds work
> >
> > 3. Configuration Window
> > B When opening the configure window for the first time, all options are
> > synced to the actual settings being used by the program
> > _ Selecting a different language works
> > X Installing chalk font works
> > ? Switching to chalk font works
> > ? Toggling sound works
> > _ Create new vocabulary works
> > _ Edit existing vocabulary works
> > _ Delete existing vocabulary works
> > X Download new vocabularies works
> > _ Default options button works
> >
> >
> > Once you have compiled the list, you go through each one and check
> > whether it works properly in the program (and under a variety of
> > conditions, if applicable). Then, you indicate whether it passed or
> > not. I use the following characters:
> >
> > + = correct behavior
> > _ = not yet tested
> > B = Buggy behavior (perhaps it works under some conditions, but not
> > always) X = Broken feature
> > C = causes a crash
> > ? = Could not test
> >
> > So, for example, I found that sound did not work, I could not install
> > the chalk font, and I could not install a new vocabulary using Get New
> > Stuff (each of these may be due to the fact that I only have
> > kdelibs+kdeedu on this machine). Because sound and installing the chalk
> > font didn't work, I was unable to test their toggles (hence the "?").
> > Finally, the mouse-cursor item gets a "B" because the cursor doesn't
> > change when you mouse over the KAanagram title graphic, even though it
> > is clickable (it reveals the About dialog), and the initial options sync
> > gets a "B" because the program initially auto-hides hints, but the
> > Configure window shows "Do Not Auto-Hide Hints" for this option when it
> > is first opened.
> >
> > It may be tempting to skip "obvious" behaviors in compiling the QA list
> > (such as "Quit program", or pressing enter to submit a guess), but it is
> > important to include *all* of the program's behaviors that you can think
> > of. It's amazing how often some long-overlooked bug is exposed by this
> > process.
> >
> > In general, I try to restrict myself to the set of expected behaviors,
> > as described in the handbook or implied by the GUI. Enumerating the
> > behaviors like this will inevitably reveal issues, such as usability
> > issues, that could be considered outside the scope of this QA survey.
> > However, we may still want to note these.
> >
> > For example, in KAnagram, it would be nice if the category name in the
> > upper right revealed a listbox when clicking, so that any category could
> > be selected. If this is inconsistent with the kid-friendly GUI, then at
> > least providing a "previous" arrow in addition to "next" would be nice.
> >
> > Also, when the solution is shown with "reveal word", it would make sense
> > to provide some visual cue for proceeding to the next puzzle. As it is,
> > you either press the regular "Next word" button, or type in the revealed
> > solution. I was thinking of something like a next arrow drawn on the
> > chalkboard itself, to the right of the revealed word.
> >
> > Again, issues like this are *not* the expected KAnagram behaviors, they
> > are new ideas. So they don't really belong in the QA list.
> >
> > regards,
> > Jason
>
> Thanks a lot for the nice explanations. It would be a good idea indeed to
> audit all KDE-Edu programs at some point using that procedure.
> In the meantime I'll work a bit on Kanagram fixinfg the obvious maybe I'll
> start on Saturday if nothing else comes up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:49:42 +0100
> From: Agustin Benito <eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: kde-edu Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9
> To: kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704251849.42718.eslic at ejerciciosresueltos.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'll be on the UES in Seville next week. We are building up our community
> project to make mEDUXa code public. Last aKademy I told you guys about
> involving students through their final career project in kde-edu.
>
> It will be possible to do so soon. I'm preparing it. If any of you (I know
> Anne-Marie Mahfouf will be there) attend, we can disscuss who to do it so I
> can present both Canary Island colleges a serious proposal that can be
> repeated aver and over again is it works fine.
>
> My company (Grupo CPD even has a name for it)
>
> KIM project (Kanary Islands Mentoring Project)
>
> El Mi?rcoles, 25 de Abril de 2007 11:00, kde-edu-request at mail.kde.org
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> > 1. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
> > 2. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Theresa)
> > 3. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Theresa)
> > 4. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Carsten Niehaus)
> > 5. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Jason Harris)
> > 6. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
> > 7. Edu & School Day at aKademy (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:06:52 +0000
> > From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at kde.org
> > Message-ID: <200704241206.52591.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> > (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before the
> > release.
> >
> > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll find
> > maintainers.
> >
> > I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> > As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz
> > for vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in trunk
> > but forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> > Any objection to remove KLatin?
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +0200
> > From: Theresa <rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at mail.kde.org, kde-edu at kde.org
> > Message-ID: <200704242017.13616.rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
> >
> > It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> > remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been dropped
> > but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that still on?
> >
> > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
> >
> > What do you think?!
> >
> > Theresa
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 schrieb Anne-Marie Mahfouf:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> > > (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before
> > > the release.
> > >
> > > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll
> > > find maintainers.
> > >
> > > I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> > > As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz
> > > for vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in
> > > trunk but forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> > > Any objection to remove KLatin?
> > >
> > > Anne-Marie
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kde-edu mailing list
> > > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +0200
> > From: Theresa <rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at mail.kde.org, kde-edu at kde.org
> > Message-ID: <200704242017.13616.rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
> >
> > It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> > remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been dropped
> > but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that still on?
> >
> > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
> >
> > What do you think?!
> >
> > Theresa
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 schrieb Anne-Marie Mahfouf:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> > > (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before
> > > the release.
> > >
> > > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll
> > > find maintainers.
> > >
> > > I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> > > As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz
> > > for vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in
> > > trunk but forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> > > Any objection to remove KLatin?
> > >
> > > Anne-Marie
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kde-edu mailing list
> > > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:37:37 +0200
> > From: Carsten Niehaus <cniehaus at gmx.de>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at kde.org, rockprinzess at gmail.com
> > Message-ID: <200704242037.41320.cniehaus at gmx.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 20:17:13 schrieb Theresa:
> > > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as
> > > well!
> > >
> > > What do you think?!
> >
> > The same, but somebody has to do the job :) AFAIK there is simply no
> > coder for KEduca or a potential successor.
> >
> > Carsten
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:23:54 -0700
> > From: Jason Harris <kstars at 30doradus.org>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at kde.org
> > Message-ID: <462E675A.1080703 at 30doradus.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
> > > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll
> > > find maintainers.
> >
> > Sure, here's what I meant in detail:
> >
> > First, compile a list of the program's expected behaviors. Every single
> > action the user can take while interacting with the program should be
> > included. For example, the behaviors list for KAnagram might look like
> > the following:
> >
> > 1. Menu functions
> > + Quit program
> > + About KAnagram
> > + About KDE
> > _ KAnagram Handbook
> > _ Configure Kanagram opens the dialog
> > _ Next word presents the next puzzle
> >
> > 2. General gameplay
> > _ Correct answer flashes green in edit line, presents a new puzzle
> > _ Incorrect answer flashes red in edit line
> > _ Clicking "Hint" shows a hint (for a short period?)
> > _ Clicking "reveal word" shows the correct answer
> > _ Clicking on the category name switches to the next category
> > _ leading and trailing whitespace is ignored when checking for a
> > correct answer
> > _ An answer is submitted by pressing the Enter key, or by clicking on
> > the "Up arrow" button next to the line edit.
> > B Mouse cursor changes to the "click hand" over all active elements
> > X Gameplay sounds work
> >
> > 3. Configuration Window
> > B When opening the configure window for the first time, all options are
> > synced to the actual settings being used by the program
> > _ Selecting a different language works
> > X Installing chalk font works
> > ? Switching to chalk font works
> > ? Toggling sound works
> > _ Create new vocabulary works
> > _ Edit existing vocabulary works
> > _ Delete existing vocabulary works
> > X Download new vocabularies works
> > _ Default options button works
> >
> >
> > Once you have compiled the list, you go through each one and check
> > whether it works properly in the program (and under a variety of
> > conditions, if applicable). Then, you indicate whether it passed or
> > not. I use the following characters:
> >
> > + = correct behavior
> > _ = not yet tested
> > B = Buggy behavior (perhaps it works under some conditions, but not
> > always) X = Broken feature
> > C = causes a crash
> > ? = Could not test
> >
> > So, for example, I found that sound did not work, I could not install
> > the chalk font, and I could not install a new vocabulary using Get New
> > Stuff (each of these may be due to the fact that I only have
> > kdelibs+kdeedu on this machine). Because sound and installing the chalk
> > font didn't work, I was unable to test their toggles (hence the "?").
> > Finally, the mouse-cursor item gets a "B" because the cursor doesn't
> > change when you mouse over the KAanagram title graphic, even though it
> > is clickable (it reveals the About dialog), and the initial options sync
> > gets a "B" because the program initially auto-hides hints, but the
> > Configure window shows "Do Not Auto-Hide Hints" for this option when it
> > is first opened.
> >
> > It may be tempting to skip "obvious" behaviors in compiling the QA list
> > (such as "Quit program", or pressing enter to submit a guess), but it is
> > important to include *all* of the program's behaviors that you can think
> > of. It's amazing how often some long-overlooked bug is exposed by this
> > process.
> >
> > In general, I try to restrict myself to the set of expected behaviors,
> > as described in the handbook or implied by the GUI. Enumerating the
> > behaviors like this will inevitably reveal issues, such as usability
> > issues, that could be considered outside the scope of this QA survey.
> > However, we may still want to note these.
> >
> > For example, in KAnagram, it would be nice if the category name in the
> > upper right revealed a listbox when clicking, so that any category could
> > be selected. If this is inconsistent with the kid-friendly GUI, then at
> > least providing a "previous" arrow in addition to "next" would be nice.
> >
> > Also, when the solution is shown with "reveal word", it would make sense
> > to provide some visual cue for proceeding to the next puzzle. As it is,
> > you either press the regular "Next word" button, or type in the revealed
> > solution. I was thinking of something like a next arrow drawn on the
> > chalkboard itself, to the right of the revealed word.
> >
> > Again, issues like this are *not* the expected KAnagram behaviors, they
> > are new ideas. So they don't really belong in the QA list.
> >
> > regards,
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:40:49 +0000
> > From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> > To: kde-edu at kde.org, rockprinzess at gmail.com
> > Message-ID: <200704250540.49595.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > On Tuesday 24 April 2007 18:17:13 Theresa wrote:
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
> > >
> > > It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> > > remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been
> > > dropped but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that
> > > still on?
> > >
> > > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as
> > > well!
> > >
> > > What do you think?!
> > >
> > > Theresa
> >
> > YES
> > But there is nobody to do it.
> > Having been in contact with many teachers this year, I pushed for a
> > KEduca replacement as it is their first demand. A developer said he'll do
> > it but we never heard of him...
> > I was tempted to start it myself but I am not up to the job, my coding
> > skills are not good enough unfortunately. We need to do this as a team,
> > with several people AND teachers.
> >
> > What can you do? You can start listing your needs, draw the interface if
> > you have some ideas and scan the draw, write what the program should do.
> > Start with 1 or 2 ideas and send them here. Other people will answer and
> > taht will be a start already.
> > If we have a developer saying "I'll do a KEduca replacement" and he'll do
> > it on its own it won't succeed. YOU teachers have to start telling how
> > you want it. Maybe take KEduca if you have it and look what you don't
> > like.
> >
> > Another idea: at aKademy in Glasgow there will be an Edu day (see the
> > Dot) and maybe we could do a workshop about KEduca.
> >
> > Feedback?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:04:54 +0000
> > From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Subject: [kde-edu]: Edu & School Day at aKademy
> > To: kde-edu at kde.org
> > Message-ID: <200704250704.54573.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Dear subscriber,
> >
> > You are invited to the Edu & School Day at aKademy
> > 3rd July 2007
> > Department of Computer & Information Sciences,
> > University of Strathclyde
> > GLASGOW
> >
> > The program so far can been seen here:
> > http://akademy2007.kde.org/codingmarathon/schoolday.php
> >
> > We still have room for lightning talks and we are looking for feedback
> > from schools or teachers. You can also send me (annma at kde.org) ideas for
> > workshops.
> >
> > Please spread the word about this day using the flyer
> > http://edu.kde.org/akademy2007/flyer.php
> > Send it to teachers you know, to LUGs and all people that are involved in
> > free education!
> >
> > Thanks in advance and I hope to meet you in Glasgow!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> > PS: If you need accomodations, please register before 30th April: see
> > http://www.kde.org.uk/akademy/
> >
> > Wiki page (more practical information will be added there):
> > http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Edu%20%26%20School%20Day%20%40%20
> >aK ademy%202007 (please add your name in the Attendees list)
> >
> >
> >
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