From tsdgeos at terra.es Sat Oct 8 12:22:18 2005 From: tsdgeos at terra.es (Albert Astals Cid) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:22:18 +0000 Subject: [kde-edu]: www/sites/www/announcements/changelogs Message-ID: <1128766938.600602.26958.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> SVN commit 468497 by aacid: All the 3.4.2 -> 3.4.3 changes i could find in kdeedu, i should not be doing that but... CCMAIL: kde-edu at kde.org M +7 -0 changelog3_4_2to3_4_3.php --- trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_2to3_4_3.php #468496:468497 @@ -47,7 +47,14 @@

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From rgx at gmx.de Wed Oct 12 17:30:51 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:30:51 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Look over fences: AbulEdu Message-ID: <200510121730.51471.rgx@gmx.de> Dear KDE-Edu developers, at Malaga, the wish was uttered to get ideas for new applications. Well, for those who read French and/or Tcl/Tk, the AbulEdu applications could be interesting (1). Most of them are only in French so far (however internationalisation has been started). And most of the applications seem to be written in Tcl. Maybe some of you know a way to "konvert" the code (to Qt this is). Have a look at (1) http://www.abuledu.org/article.php3?id_article=64 Regards Ralf From seb_stein at gmx.de Wed Oct 12 19:48:09 2005 From: seb_stein at gmx.de (Sebastian Stein) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:48:09 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Look over fences: AbulEdu In-Reply-To: <200510121730.51471.rgx@gmx.de> References: <200510121730.51471.rgx@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20051012174809.GD2787@hpfsc.de> RalfGesellensetter [051012 19:42]: > Most of them are only in French so far (however internationalisation has > been started). And most of the applications seem to be written in Tcl. > Maybe some of you know a way to "konvert" the code (to Qt this is). > > Have a look at > > (1) http://www.abuledu.org/article.php3?id_article=64 Instead that now everybody is surfing to their page and tries to understand French it would be a great help if you could describe the purpose of the app in some sentences... Sebastian From rgx at gmx.de Fri Oct 14 15:54:04 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:54:04 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Look over fences: AbulEdu In-Reply-To: <20051012174809.GD2787@hpfsc.de> References: <200510121730.51471.rgx@gmx.de> <20051012174809.GD2787@hpfsc.de> Message-ID: <200510141554.05126.rgx@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch 12 Oktober 2005 19:48 schrieb Sebastian Stein: > Instead that now everybody is surfing to their page and tries to > understand French it would be a great help if you could describe the > purpose of the app in some sentences... Hi, in some way you are right. But I don't know French, either. This is why I said "for those of you who read French". I started testing the software - and meanwhile learned, that the "upstream" (Eric Seigne) is still somehow active. I meant to document the software in German (1) - but maybe I should go for English in the beginning. Maybe the best way (for those of you who use Debian) would be to install the whole let and try it out: I just found out that the educative software suite "Le Terrier" from abuledu.org is apt-get installable from deb http://ftp.abuledu.org/1.4/leterrier ./ After updating, you should find all available packages by searching for "abuledu": $ apt-cache search abuledu abuledu-aller - Aller, Apprentissage de la lecture en réseau abuledu-anouslesnombres - À nous les nombres abuledu-associations - Associations, Logiciel permettant l'association d'images et de mots permettant toute une série d'activités de lecture abuledu-calculs - Notions de calcull mental, rapide etc. abuledu-chemin - Chemin, Codage/décodage de parcours sur quadrillage abuledu-espace - Maîtrise de quelques notions d'espace en GS maternelle et début CP abuledu-kidistb - Kidistb, Logiciel de création multimédia abuledu-labyrinthe - Labyrinthe" est un logiciel pouvant permettre de travailler des compétences spatiales abuledu-leterrier - Le Terrier est composé de plein d'applications abuledu-leterrier-all - Le Terrier est composé de plein d'applications abuledu-mulot - Mulot, apprentissage de l'utilisation de la souris abuledu-operations - Aide à la technique opératoire (additions, soustractions, multiplications) abuledu-tableaux - # Tableaux à double entrée abuledu-tkegc - TKEGC, système de travail en réseau Another option is to boot OFSET's Freeduc Live CD. Feedback in English could be put to their wiki (http://en.abuledu.org/doku.php) Regards Ralf 1. http://skolelinux.de/wiki/Kooperation/Frankreich/AbulEdu From cniehaus at gmx.de Sat Oct 15 12:18:10 2005 From: cniehaus at gmx.de (Carsten Niehaus) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:18:10 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: LinuxInfoTag Dresden Message-ID: <200510151218.10910.cniehaus@gmx.de> Hello List At the end of this month, October 29, there will be a Linux-Conference in Dresden, north germany, called LinuxInfoTag [1]. As you might allready know I will be present there and kdeedu will be a big topic there [2]. Promotion is everything today ;-) Therefore I ask all application developers for three things: * Update your homepage ** Especially pages like http://edu.kde.org/kstars/screenshots.php are important as visitors of the booth might want to look at screenshots when they are back home * Update your changelog ** http://edu.kde.org/development/3.5improvements.php * Create a klik-package ** This page shows you existing klik-packages: http://134.169.172.48/ ** This is the howto create a klik-package: http://134.169.172.48/docs/?page=A%20note%20to%20application%20developers If you cannot write on the edu.kde.org-homepage because you are missing the karma feel free to sent me either a diff or just a plaintext-version and I will commit for you. Carsten [1] -- http://linux-info-tag.de/ [2] -- http://dot.kde.org/1129328514/ From rgx at gmx.de Sun Oct 16 19:39:08 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:39:08 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: LinuxInfoTag Dresden In-Reply-To: <200510151218.10910.cniehaus@gmx.de> References: <200510151218.10910.cniehaus@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200510161939.08901.rgx@gmx.de> Am Samstag 15 Oktober 2005 12:18 schrieb Carsten Niehaus: > At the end of this month, October 29, there will be a > Linux-Conference in Dresden, north germany, called LinuxInfoTag [1]. Well. north or south is always a matter of perspective. Even though Dresden is further north than, say, Munich, it is definitely very far to the east (to find a compromise) - about 1 hour drive from Prague! This might be interesting to people from Czech Republic or Slovakia. For further info, browse "wp:Dresden"... Regards Ralf. From aacid at kde.org Sun Oct 16 19:48:54 2005 From: aacid at kde.org (Albert Astals Cid) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:48:54 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: LinuxInfoTag Dresden In-Reply-To: <200510151218.10910.cniehaus@gmx.de> References: <200510151218.10910.cniehaus@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200510161948.54539.aacid@kde.org> A Dissabte 15 Octubre 2005 12:18, Carsten Niehaus va escriure: > Hello List > > At the end of this month, October 29, there will be a Linux-Conference in > Dresden, north germany, called LinuxInfoTag [1]. As you might allready know > I will be present there and kdeedu will be a big topic there [2]. > Promotion is everything today ;-) Therefore I ask all application > developers for three things: > > * Update your homepage > ** Especially pages like http://edu.kde.org/kstars/screenshots.php are > important as visitors of the booth might want to look at screenshots when > they are back home http://kgeography.berlios.de/ is quite updated, it may be ugly, but ei, i made it... http://edu.kde.org/blinken/ can be considered uber small, but you really don't think we need much more than the screenshot and that description > * Update your changelog > ** http://edu.kde.org/development/3.5improvements.php > * Create a klik-package http://klik.atekon.de/details.php?section=new&package=kgeography There's no blinken klik but there's http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1484 which has full kdeedu3.5 package Albert > ** This page shows you existing klik-packages: > http://134.169.172.48/ > ** This is the howto create a klik-package: > > http://134.169.172.48/docs/?page=A%20note%20to%20application%20developers > > If you cannot write on the edu.kde.org-homepage because you are missing the > karma feel free to sent me either a diff or just a plaintext-version and I > will commit for you. > > Carsten > > [1] -- http://linux-info-tag.de/ > [2] -- http://dot.kde.org/1129328514/ > _______________________________________________ > kde-edu mailing list > kde-edu at mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So my question would be: is there a way of creating a script that gives a result a text label? Or otherways: is there a way to make the text label corresponding to a point remain fixed? Thanks in advance. Miguel Marco From faure at kde.org Sun Oct 16 23:45:59 2005 From: faure at kde.org (David Faure) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:45:59 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Dyslexia In-Reply-To: <20051015132553.9793.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051015132553.9793.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200510162346.00411.faure@kde.org> kde-edu: please reply to rania karali about whether we have any software for dyslexic students. On Saturday 15 October 2005 15:25, rania karali wrote: > Hello! > My name is Ourania Karali, Greece, and I would > appreciate if you could help me. I am a postgraduate > student in the University of Ioannina and my topic is > Dyslexia and New Technology. I would like you to give > me some information about the software that your > educational system is using in schools for the > dyslexic students. > Thank you very much! > -- David Faure, faure at kde.org, sponsored by Trolltech to work on KDE, Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org), and KOffice (http://www.koffice.org). From paolini at dmf.unicatt.it Tue Oct 18 09:33:38 2005 From: paolini at dmf.unicatt.it (Maurizio Paolini) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:33:38 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Question about Kig scripting In-Reply-To: <200510171643.43995.mmarco@unizar.es> References: <200510171643.43995.mmarco@unizar.es> Message-ID: <20051018073338.GC32230@pitagora.dmf.bs.unicatt.it> On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 04:43:43PM +0200, Miguel Marco wrote: > Hi. > > I plan to use Kig in a course of linear geometry i am teaching. I hev found > most of the features i need in it, but i have a little trouble to calculate > the ration determined by three points in a line. > > I have done a scirpt that returns a point whose coordinates are (r,0), where r > is the number i am looking for, and then take the x coordinate of it, but the > problems is that, as i move the points, this resulting point moves too, and > also does the label with its x coordinate, making it go outside the screen in > some cases. > > So my question would be: is there a way of creating a script that gives a > result a text label? Or otherways: is there a way to make the text label > corresponding to a point remain fixed? You can make the text label fixed by right-clicking on it, then select "redefine", click on any place on the canvas and then accept all the defaults. Also, it is possible to create a fixed label from the beginning: - click on the "text" button - click anywhere on the screen - enter "%1" (without the double quotes) as text - click on "next" - click on "argument 1" - click on the point whose coordinate you need - click on "X coordinate" - click on "Finish". Of course you can enter any text instead of %1, e.g. "The ratio is %1." Cheers, Maurizio Paolini From rgx at gmx.de Tue Oct 18 18:04:41 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:04:41 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Dyslexia In-Reply-To: <200510162346.00411.faure@kde.org> References: <20051015132553.9793.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> <200510162346.00411.faure@kde.org> Message-ID: <200510181804.42032.rgx@gmx.de> Am Sonntag 16 Oktober 2005 23:45 schrieb David Faure: > kde-edu: please reply to rania karali about > whether we have any software for dyslexic students. abuledu.org has some approach to this - but their software is TCL and not too mature... regards Ralf From rgx at gmx.de Tue Oct 18 18:22:17 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:22:17 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Question about Kig scripting In-Reply-To: <200510171643.43995.mmarco@unizar.es> References: <200510171643.43995.mmarco@unizar.es> Message-ID: <200510181822.17430.rgx@gmx.de> Hola Marco, Am Montag 17 Oktober 2005 16:43 schrieb Miguel Marco: > So my question would be: is there a way of creating a script that > gives a result a text label? Or otherways: is there a way to make the > text label corresponding to a point remain fixed? As my system is buggy, I cannot run kig right now. But you should be able to - define a point to point line - define a point on this line - measure distances - divide the results please, upload your results to some public space, or just mail them... thanks regards Ralf. From af at pvl.at Wed Oct 19 10:59:37 2005 From: af at pvl.at (Andreas Feuerstein) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:59:37 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: INTRODUCING LINUX TO YOUTHWORK Message-ID: <43560AF9.10305@pvl.at> Sehr geehrte Frau Andrea Mayer, bei meiner Recherche ?ber FLOSS Initiativen in ?sterreich bin ich auf Ihre Email (http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/2002-March/000038.html) gesto?en. Ich arbeite im tOSSad EU-Projekt und bereite f?r unseren Workshop in Extremadura (Spanien) n?chste Woche ein leaflet mit Initiativen in ?sterreich vor. Handelte es sich bei Ihrem Projekt um einen workshop, eine Konferenz, Symposium? Vielleicht k?nnen Sie mir ein, zwei Zeilen dazu schreiben. Gibt es momentan Initativen in diese Richtung an denen Sie arbeiten? Herzlich Gr??e Ihr Andreas Feuerstein -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: af.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 103 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/attachments/20051021/8b70e47e/af.bin From kstars at 30doradus.org Fri Oct 21 08:17:50 2005 From: kstars at 30doradus.org (kstars@30doradus.org) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:17:50 -0700 Subject: [kde-edu]: INTRODUCING LINUX TO YOUTHWORK In-Reply-To: <43560AF9.10305@pvl.at> References: <43560AF9.10305@pvl.at> Message-ID: <200510202317.50260.kstars@30doradus.org> I asked the person who posted this to provide an English version, but they weren't able to. Can anyone translate it? On Wednesday 19 October 2005 01:59, Andreas Feuerstein wrote: > Sehr geehrte Frau Andrea Mayer, > > bei meiner Recherche ?ber FLOSS Initiativen in ?sterreich bin ich auf > Ihre Email > (http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/2002-March/000038.html) gesto?en. > Ich arbeite im tOSSad EU-Projekt und bereite f?r unseren Workshop in > Extremadura (Spanien) n?chste Woche ein leaflet mit Initiativen in > ?sterreich vor. Handelte es sich bei Ihrem Projekt um einen workshop, > eine Konferenz, Symposium? Vielleicht k?nnen Sie mir ein, zwei Zeilen > dazu schreiben. Gibt es momentan Initativen in diese Richtung an denen > Sie arbeiten? > > Herzlich Gr??e > Ihr > Andreas Feuerstein From kevin.krammer at gmx.at Fri Oct 21 10:29:29 2005 From: kevin.krammer at gmx.at (Kevin Krammer) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:29:29 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: INTRODUCING LINUX TO YOUTHWORK In-Reply-To: <43560AF9.10305@pvl.at> References: <43560AF9.10305@pvl.at> Message-ID: <200510211029.30211.kevin.krammer@gmx.at> Rough translation: --- Dear Andrea Mayer, while researching about Austrian FLOSS initiatives I found your posting http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/2002-March/000038.html I am currently working for the EU funded tOSSad project and are preparing a leaflet listing Austrian initatives for our workshop next week that will be held on Extremadura (Spain). What has been the type of the event you posted about (workshop, conference, symposium)? Can you send me a couple of lines about it? Are you currently working on similar projects? Yours, Andreas Feuerstein ----- As the referred posting is from 2002 it might be that Andrea Mayr is not subscribed that the moment. Looking into my archives, the email address she used back then was: andrea DOT mayr AT netbridge DOT at The organisation's website lists this as their contact address (as from http://www.netbridge.at/kontakte.html) netbridge at netbridge.at Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer Qt/KDE Developer, Debian User Moderator: www.mrunix.de (German), www.qtforum.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This means that many projects share this file (Kalzium, JMol, CDK and others). The file is updated from time to time, for example when a new dataset is added or a error in the file is found. Therefore, Kalzium will profit without me having to work on it ;-) On the other hand I am trying to get all data Kalzium has and BO has not into the file. I already added four datasets: *** block, *** nameOrigin, *** boilingPoint, *** meltingPoint. * elements.xml is CML (Chemical Markup Language). This is an "official" format, not invented by me. * In case for example KStars has "scientific" classes like "Planet" or something and they are interested to move things into libscience: You are very welcome! This is not a Kalzium-lib, it is meant to be a general lib. There is no dependency beside Qt4. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example: > ** class Element (describes a chemical element) > ** class Isotope (describes a physical isotope like C-13) > ** class Spectrum (describes a physical spectrum like a NMR-spectrum) > > * The class is able to read the file elements.xml (found in > libscience/data/) ** elements.xml is part of the BlueObelisk-project > (http://www.blue-obelisk.org). This means that many projects share this > file (Kalzium, JMol, CDK and others). The file is updated from time to > time, for example when a new dataset is added or a error in the file is > found. Therefore, Kalzium will profit without me having to work on it ;-) > On the other hand I am trying to get all data Kalzium has and BO has not > into the file. I already added four datasets: > *** block, > *** nameOrigin, > *** boilingPoint, > *** meltingPoint. Why not add that to the "original" file? Or are you doing that and i misunderstood? Great job, sharing is always good! Albert > > * elements.xml is CML (Chemical Markup Language). This is an "official" > format, not invented by me. > > * In case for example KStars has "scientific" classes like "Planet" or > something and they are interested to move things into libscience: You are > very welcome! This is not a Kalzium-lib, it is meant to be a general lib. > There is no dependency beside Qt4. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore, Kalzium will profit without me having to work on it ;-) > > On the other hand I am trying to get all data Kalzium has and BO has not > > into the file. I already added four datasets: > > ?*** block, > > ?*** nameOrigin, > > ?*** boilingPoint, > > ?*** meltingPoint. > > Why not add that to the "original" file? Or are you doing that and i > misunderstood? Yes, you misunderstood. The elements.xml is autogenerated from several files. It is valid CML with the namespace "bo:". That file is updated every now and then, I just added those four datasets as one file each. After the next generation elements.xml will include the values. Then, all BO-supporting apps will have them. I already generated the file and put it in KDE's repo, so Kalzium is ahead of the rest of the world ;-) Carsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks celeste! > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: [kde-edu - Usability Issues] KBruch > Date: Saturday 22 October 2005 17:33 > From: noreply at openusability.org > To: noreply at openusability.org > > Read and respond to this message at: > http://openusability.org/forum/message.php?msg_id=1374 > By: seele > > I have done a usability review and interface recommendations for KBruch. Yes, this is a very good contribution. I wonder if I could fix some of the things for KDE 3.5... But I don't think so, because we are already in string freeze. So we will have to wait for the fixes. Anyway, I filed a bug report so that I do not forget about the report. Sebastian From rgx at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 21:50:58 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:50:58 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Integration of Abakus, Kmplot, Maxima Message-ID: <200510232150.58937.rgx@gmx.de> Dear List, today, Steffen Joeris debianized Abakus, a simple KDE Calculator. In terms of usability, Abakus comes quite close to modern pocket calculators - depite the lack of button emulation (you have to use your real keyboard): http://grammarian.homelinux.net/abakus/ In order to render a really fancy calcualtor, I could imagine that it is possible to - integrate kmplot to plot functions you enter - use maxima to solve equations in an algebraic way What do you think? Regards Ralf. From rgx at gmx.de Mon Oct 24 17:50:42 2005 From: rgx at gmx.de (RalfGesellensetter) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:50:42 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: Integration of Abakus, Kmplot, Maxima In-Reply-To: <200510232150.58937.rgx@gmx.de> References: <200510232150.58937.rgx@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200510241750.42653.rgx@gmx.de> Am Sonntag 23 Oktober 2005 21:50 schrieb RalfGesellensetter: > In order to render a really fancy calcualtor, I could imagine that it > is possible to > - integrate kmplot to plot functions you enter > - use maxima to solve equations in an algebraic way More by accident, I found http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0 here, we have KAlgebra with highest ratings. As it seems, this is already an integration of parts of Abakus and KMplot and Unignuplot! The name of the application should mean, that it will some day integrate a CAS like Maxima...? What do you think? Regards Ralf. From hans.oischinger at h3c.de Tue Oct 25 21:07:27 2005 From: hans.oischinger at h3c.de (Hans Oischinger) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:27 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: KDE education software (job offer?) Message-ID: <200510252107.34211.hans.oischinger@h3c.de> Hi, First of all: Sorry for cross-posting this, but I figured that this needs a little more publicity as it's about a KDE related job offer. But here we go: I was at exhibiting KDE at Systems (an IT fair in Munich) today when someone came to the KDE booth and asked if we were interested in some sort of contract work for his publishing company. The thing is: His company doesn't publish books, it publishes learning material for computer related stuff. He showed us some an example of an interactive learning video for Microsoft Word his company has done. Basically this was a Flash video with voice over explaining the basic functionalities of Word that sometimes asked the user to click this or that button. It's very much the same as the nice flash videos we already saw for Kimdaba recently. Now he wants someone to do the same thing for KDE, that is: explain the basic UI and features in some sort of video (he wasn't getting too technical here). He already talked with other OS projects and already got positive feedback from OpenOffice. He is of course willing to pay for this as a contract work. I can give you his website www.ars-docendi.de So the question is: - Is someone interested in doing this job? - Are there any objections or comments on how this should be done? (Remeber that the result of this work will only be available commercially, although KDE user manuals in book form sound pretty much the same to me) Until then I gave the Mr. Schmidt my email adress (and Torsten's, just in case), so he expects to hear from me anytime soon. Greets, Hans -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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CCMAIL:kde-edu at kde.org CCMAIL:montel at kde.org M +0 -2 Mainpage.dox M +0 -1 README D keduca (directory) --- trunk/KDE/kdeedu/Mainpage.dox #474287:474288 @@ -8,8 +8,6 @@ * Periodic table of elements. * - kbruch\n * Fraction excercise trainer. -* - keduca\n -* Creation and revision of form-based tests and exams. * - khangman\n * Hangman game. The child should guess a word letter by letter. * - kig\n --- trunk/KDE/kdeedu/README #474287:474288 @@ -12,7 +12,6 @@ * kalzium: periodic table of elements * kanagram: an anagram game * kbruch: fraction excercise trainer -* keduca: creation and revision of form-based tests and exams. * kgeography: geography learning program * khangman: hangman game. The child should guess a word letter by letter. * kig: interactive geometry From cniehaus at gmx.de Wed Oct 26 09:16:25 2005 From: cniehaus at gmx.de (Carsten Niehaus) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:25 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: KDE/kdeedu In-Reply-To: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> References: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> Message-ID: <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 01:00, Henrique Pinto wrote: > SVN commit 474288 by henrique: > > * Remove KEduca from trunk. > I'm already working on a replacement for it, and the old codebase > is quite messy and should be considered unmaintained. Removing > it from trunk so that nobody wastes time porting code that is to > be substituted anyway. > > I hope to import an initial copy of my rewrite to playground soon, > though the exact date pretty much depends on my amount of free time > in the coming days. Do you have write access to http://edu.kde.org/keduca/ so that the sutuation is explained to the users? Of course this is not urgent as KDE4 is still several month in the future. Carsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/attachments/20051026/dee1cf9e/attachment.pgp From cniehaus at gmx.de Wed Oct 26 09:31:04 2005 From: cniehaus at gmx.de (Carsten Niehaus) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:31:04 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: KDE education software (job offer?) In-Reply-To: <200510252107.34211.hans.oischinger@h3c.de> References: <200510252107.34211.hans.oischinger@h3c.de> Message-ID: <200510260931.09510.cniehaus@gmx.de> On Tuesday 25 October 2005 21:07, Hans Oischinger wrote: > Now he wants someone to do the same thing for KDE, that is: explain the > basic UI and features in some sort of video (he wasn't getting too > technical here). He already talked with other OS projects and already got > positive feedback from OpenOffice. > He is of course willing to pay for this as a contract work. Two questions: 1.) I guess the voice has to speak german? 2.) I the one who will do the job doing this for all of KDE, only Konqueror and KDEPIM, on per-app-basis? This boils down to: Is this a job you can do within some hours or is this something which takes several weeks? Carsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This boils down to: Is this a job you can do > within some hours or is this something which takes several weeks? What he wants to have are not overly detailled descriptions of KDE's features but more things you can listen to in 15 or 30 minutes to get a rough overview with what is possible with KDE. Again, I think he is open for different approaches and maybe one can convince him to do another presentation of KDEPIM or whatever part you may find interesting. I gave Tackat Mr. Schmidt's phone number yesterday. I guess he'll soon erstablish contact with him to figure out more details. Greets, Hans From henrique.pinto at kdemail.net Wed Oct 26 23:49:33 2005 From: henrique.pinto at kdemail.net (Henrique Pinto) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:49:33 -0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: KDE/kdeedu In-Reply-To: <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> References: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200510261949.34231.henrique.pinto@kdemail.net> On Wed 26 Oct 2005 05:16, Carsten Niehaus wrote: > Do you have write access to > > http://edu.kde.org/keduca/ > > so that the sutuation is explained to the users? No, I don't. However, as you said, KDE4 is still months away, so I don't believe that the website has to be updated right now. I prefer waiting for the replacement app to be ready (or almost ready) before that. -- Henrique Pinto henrique.pinto at kdemail.net From toscano.pino at tiscali.it Thu Oct 27 00:59:51 2005 From: toscano.pino at tiscali.it (Pino Toscano) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:59:51 +0200 Subject: [kde-edu]: KDE/kdeedu In-Reply-To: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> References: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> Message-ID: <200510270059.56216.toscano.pino@tiscali.it> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 01:00, Henrique Pinto wrote: > I hope to import an initial copy of my rewrite to playground soon, > though the exact date pretty much depends on my amount of free time > in the coming days. In a compatible way with your free time, could you import your work in our playground? So we could help you developing it. Cheers, -- Pino Toscano -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on how much work I'm able to do on it this weekend, I can possibly import it into playground on Monday. Thanks! -- Henrique Pinto henrique.pinto at kdemail.net From cies.breijs at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 14:18:41 2005 From: cies.breijs at gmail.com (cies) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:18:41 -0600 Subject: [kde-edu]: deleted kturtle from trunk Message-ID: hi all, i, cies breijs, just deleted kturtle from trunk since im rewriting it, so no need to port it... hopefully i have something usefull in time (it looks promissing) Cies Breijs. From Andreas.Nicolai at gmx.net Mon Oct 31 19:27:37 2005 From: Andreas.Nicolai at gmx.net (Andreas Nicolai) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [kde-edu]: KTouch -> making it better for KDE 4 In-Reply-To: <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> References: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'd like to have your suggestions and ideas for the future KDE 4 version of KTouch. Right now the only pressing thing I'm working on (in my much too short sparetime) is the XML format of the keyboard files and the corresponding editor. Related to that I have a first question: How would you expect KTouch to handle dead-keys or on some keyboards (e.g. for some kyrillic keyboard) swap keys that permanently overlay the current keyboard with a new keyboard layout? But more interesting is the question of how we could make KTouch more fun to use, more sexy and exciting in the long run and most of all more useful in the teaching process. I've checked out several other touch typing programs and found some features that I would find useful: - gaming sequences (like something is scrolling/falling over the screen and you have to type fast enough before too many words/characters have been missed) - full text typing like in exams - background monitoring of what you normally type in other programs, basically monitoring the sequence "backspace" and "a following character" which is assumed to be the mistyped character - typing new texts from some source (e.g. newsticker) to provide some new stuff every now and then in addition to prepared lectures I would think that of most interest to our target group (aka kids) would be some small gaming sequences with "I want to try that level again" effects. Actually I believe that would work with larger kids (age > 25) as well :-) So, what do you think? What kind of games would you have in mind? And how could I get some graphics for them (I kinda suck at drawing)? Thanks for your input already. Bye, Andreas -- Andreas Nicolai Andreas.Nicolai at gmx.net Syracuse University +01 (315) 443 1099 151 E.A.Link Hall Syracuse NY 13244-1240 From cniehaus at gmx.de Mon Oct 31 19:47:46 2005 From: cniehaus at gmx.de (Carsten Niehaus) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:47:46 +0100 Subject: [kde-edu]: KTouch -> making it better for KDE 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1130281238.173338.32707.nullmailer@svn.kde.org> <200510260916.31159.cniehaus@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200510311947.53917.cniehaus@gmx.de> Moin Andreas All of your ideas are good. And I agree that the keyboard-format is not good and KTouch needs a new editor. What about http://www.neuber.com/schreibtrainer/image/auswertung.gif Not really a good graphic but perhaps you get an idea from it? In terms of cool UI make this tour (just click several times on the "Next" button): http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com/tour.php?language=en Carsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-edu/attachments/20051031/912a0d6a/attachment.pgp