Disallow or discourage use of "AI" tools (Christoph Cullmann)

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dilluns, 26 de maig del 2025, a les 20:52:26 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa 
central), Christoph Cullmann va escriure:
> Hi,
> 
> https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/syntax-highlighting/-/merge_requests/698
> 
> would still benefit from some input on how to proceed in this very concrete
> case.

Google claims "the person that generated the code owns the code" (i.e. they 
don't claim ownership on the code generated by Gemini).

So in that regard we are "clear".

In the regard of "what was the license of the code that trained Gemini's code 
generator that made it generated that particular code?" we can not know and 
will not know.

It is also a field not decided by law yet (AFAIK).

I'd say in this very concrete case it fails into whatever you (as kind of 
maintainer of syntax-highlighting) feel about this.

Cheers,
  Albert

P.S: Then there's the discussion of even if these kinds of files that define a 
language can be copyrightable, i.e. if i had a language that accepted 3 
keywords, the description file would be so trivial one could not copyright it 
because there's no "expression" that can be copyrighted. But that's a whole 
different can of worms :D

> 
> Greetings
> Christoph
> 
> On Sunday, May 18th, 2025 at 16:56, Christoph Cullmann 
<christoph at cullmann.io> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Sunday, May 18th, 2025 at 09:00, Justin Zobel <justin at 1707.io> wrote:
> > > On 17/05/2025 01:40, Christoph Cullmann wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > just as a concrete example: what to do with
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/syntax-highlighting/-/merge_requests
> > > > /698
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That is no AI spam but something that doesn't look broken and the
> > > > submitter did do manual work.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Can I now accept that just as MIT?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Greetings
> > > > Christoph
> > > 
> > > If the contributor cannot tell you the license(s) of the code that was
> > > used to generate the code, then it's literally gambling that this code
> > > wasn't taken from another project by Gemini and used without their
> > > permission or used in a way that violates the license and opens up the
> > > KDE e.V. to litigation.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is an absolutely possible scenario if the author happens to look
> > > around for their code being re-used. KDE e.V. CAN NOT accept AI
> > > contributions because the source of the code isn't known.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It really scares me that we would even consider accepting this. I fully
> > > understand that it is impossible to tell if a user is lying about
> > > generating code with an AI, but we have to at least remove the KDE e.V.
> > > from possible harm by rejecting code unless it is sourced from a
> > > license and privacy respecting model. Which I'm sure there are very few
> > > of and the ones that exist would have very little code as every single
> > > piece of code would have to be audited by the owner of the model to
> > > ensure that it can be distributed and used in their software, and that
> > > the owners accepts this.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course, this still all boils down to trusting contributors. They can
> > > get code from anywhere and claim at as their own. AI just makes it much
> > > easier for them to do it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Justin
> > 
> > there is now input about what was put into the model to get the result,
> > now the question is what to do.
> > 
> > 
> > As one input was an LGPL file and some stuff with MIT, the stuff would be
> > the LGPL I would assume.
> > 
> > 
> > Naturally the question is what to say about the model itself, but if that
> > implies that all people are out that use the today often integrated AI
> > stuff for help, that is not that helpful.
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings
> > Christoph