"Gardening" old bugreports

[Justin]

Hi Juraj,

Of course we are happy to exclude Falkon from the list.

Regards,

Justin

On 28/1/23 23:45, Juraj Oravec wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> Exclusions so far:
>> - okteta
>> - krita
>> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
>>
>> Thanks again for the feedback!
> Can you also add Falkon to the exclusion list?
> There are not that many bugs nor people working on it and at the moment
> it is easy to browse the bugs.
>
> Also I do not know if this was discussed, but some info message on the
> bugzilla would be nice, if this project is managed by this BugBot or
> not.
>
> Thank you for the help.
>
> Best regards,
> Juraj.
>
>
>
>
>
> On piatok 27. januára 2023 22:56:09 CET Justin Zobel wrote:
>> Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
>>
>> Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan to
>> resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have not
>> been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your product
>> out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
>> manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
>> accommodate you.
>>
>> Exclusions so far:
>> - okteta
>> - krita
>> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
>>
>> Thanks again for the feedback!
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart <thb at net-bembel.de>
> wrote:
>>> On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl
> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas
> Fella:
>>>>> Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
>>>>>> The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> relevant by involving the users who reported them in
>>>>>> determining if
>>>>>> they are still valid. This increases community involvement and
>>>>>> helps
>>>>>> KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the
>>>>>> thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in
>>>>>> years.
>>>>> Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes being
>>>>> done to their bugreports that don't actually engage with the
>>>>> content of the report.> >
>>>> Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who
>>>> don't like it. Unless something is exceptionally great, few
>>>> people will take the time to speak out in favor of something that
>>>> is already happening.
>>>>
>>>>>> The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not
>>>>>> had any
>>>>>> activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to
>>>>>> reinvigorate
>>>>>> discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If
>>>>>> the user
>>>>>> does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug
>>>>>> is set to NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug
>>>>>> Janitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care
>>>>>> is not
>>>>>> applied.
>>>>> Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level of
>>>>> understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there is
>>>>> no
>>>>> simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority
>>>>> into
>>>>> account assumes that these have actually been consistently
>>>>> applied.
>>>> As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an
>>>> occasional nudge on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over
>>>> old reports to see if they are still valid, but having somebody
>>>> else doing this methodically makes sure I don't gloss over some
>>>> bug that could be closed or fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Having this done by someone else without too much internal
>>>> knowledge is an absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you
>>>> want to clean up your attic, you try to find a helper who does
>>>> not have the same emotional attachment as yourself.
>>>>
>>>>>> I will halt it until it is approved by more developers.
>>>>>> However if it
>>>>>> is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is
>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>> not a priority right now for the majority.
>>>> Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla
>>>> gardening. Thank you for doing it!
>>> I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke and
>>> the automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is needed
>>> helps a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Thomas Baumgart
>>>
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>>> With every day I come closer to the grave and learn something new.
>>> It all happens because I have wandered around too much and stumbled
>>> into the Linux world - which is a fantastic place to be! (Algis
>>> Kabaila †)
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