From kdelibs4 to KDE frameworks... how to make KDE more cross platform...

Shaun Reich shaun.reich at
Wed Feb 15 01:35:06 GMT 2012

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin at> wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 February 2012 19:12:58 Alexander Neundorf wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 February 2012, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>> > On Monday, February 13, 2012 17:51:23 Shaun Reich wrote:
>> > > hate to chime in as well, but i think replacing the Windows shell
>> > > should definitely be something that's looked at. imho it makes a lot
>> > > of sense. face it, the Windows shell sucks.
>> >
>> > how many windows users realistically change the shell, even though it's
>> > already possible now and such shells exist?

well, to be fair it tends to be quite difficult, most are for-paid,
and the ones that aren't require doing a bunch of dll helll stuff.

>> >
>> > this is even smaller than the # of people who really dislike the windows 7
>> > shell THAT much.
>> >
>> > compare with: how much effort is required to make this REALLY work well?
>> Especially considering the man power we have under Windows. It's not much.

agreed, we need more devs working on windows, definitely.

> what we also should keep in mind is that our KDE Plasma Workspaces consists of
> more than just plasma-desktop. Many components which are an important part of
> the Plasma Workspace's user experience are strongly tied to X11 without any
> chance of ever getting ported to Windows (port to Wayland will make that
> hardly better). While it is possible to get plasma-desktop running on Windows
> you will never be able to get the Plasma Workspaces running on Windows. It
> will always be just a very bad rip-off of what we have on X11/Wayland.
> Personally I would like to see strong investments on the application view to
> use it as a vehicle to get more users to the real system. "You love KDE
> Marble? Did you know that KDE offers more software? Check it out here
> $linktolivecdofrandomdistribution" :-)

true. yes, i would definitely agree that apps are more important. the
window manager being non-portable did not occur to me, that would
indeed cause lots of headaches.

Shaun Reich,
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