Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings" by GNOME

Giovanni Campagna scampa.giovanni at
Sun Jul 24 11:25:47 BST 2011

Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
> 2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi at>:
> > hi;
> >
> > 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau <agateau at>:
> >> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
> >> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
> >> Settings would not be installed.
> >>
> >> You are only likely to get both System Settings pre-installed if your
> >> computer was shipped with both KDE and Gnome desktops. In this
> >> situation, I assume you would be provided with some explanation as to
> >> what KDE and Gnome are.
> >
> > installing both Gnome and KDE is not equivalent to running both at the
> > same time.
> >
> > if you managed to get yourself into the scenario where KDE and Gnome
> > have been installed at the same time then the KDE system settings
> > shell should be marked as NotShowIn=Gnome, and the Gnome one should be
> > NotShowIn=KDE. currently, gnome-control-center uses:
> >
> >  OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity;
> >
> > so a menu rendered under KDE won't show it. now, googling a bit I found this:
> >
> >
> >
> > which is, I guess, what really prompted this thread. so, if the KDE
> > system settings shell appears alongside any other system settings
> > shell it means that the users are not running KDE, but are running any
> > other XDG-recognised desktop.
> >
> >>> there is no "here and now" — that would be a hack. I hardly think we
> >>> have to solve this *quickly*, so we should solve it correctly.
> >>
> >> Releases are conflicting right *now*, so yes, I think there is a need to
> >> solve it quickly, even if the first fix is a short-term one.
> >
> > the short-term fix is to make the KDE system settings OnlyShowIn=KDE,
> > so that users running KDE will not have any issue, and every other
> > desktop will correctly not show the KDE system settings shell.
> Wrong. Emmanuele, read my initial email to see why that is not an
> acceptable solution under any circumstances.
> It has to be shown in some form, regardless of the name, under all
> desktop environments.

Again, no. There is nothing you want to configure, running under GNOME,
in KDE system settings. Qt apps, running under GNOME, should use Gtk+
style (already done by Qt), GNOME preferred apps and mime-type
associations (already done by shared-mime-info), GNOME networking
preferences (already done by NetworkManager and libproxy), GNOME fonts
(already done by fontconfig). Everything else (desktop effects, hardware
settings, date and time, users...) should not be configurable by KDE
system settings, and will likely conflict if changed. 


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