apaku at gmx.de
Mon Mar 17 19:33:27 GMT 2008
On 17.03.08 20:15:52, Michael Jansen wrote:
> Am Montag 17 März 2008 19:59:23 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
> > On 17.03.08 19:33:38, Anders Lund wrote:
> > > On Monday 17 March 2008, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> > > > > How am i supposed to know they are there? Look them up? Find out when
> > > > > accidently triggering one of them?
> > > >
> > > > Thats what a manual is written for.
> > >
> > > And exactly how would the manual know which keys are assigned? It isn't
> > > like KDE manuals are allways up to date, and even if they were many
> > > parties have the power to change defaults.
> > Huh? The defaults are written by those who write the code and those
> > people should make sure the manual is up-to-date. If distro's patch the
> > app, they need to patch the manual as well else its simply a distro bug
> > that needs fixing.
> > Sure manuals are out of date often, but then again you don't change
> > default shortcuts every other day either.
> But to go look into the manual you have to have the idea there are global
Actually I expect _any_ user that starts an app he doesn't know to at
least have a short look through the manual and those people that care
for shortcuts probably also take a look into the shortcuts dialog simply
because currently KDE completely lacks a proper place for listing and
possibly printing them (I hope I can change that for 4.1 though).
> shortcuts. Without anyone telling you when starting a application do you
> expect a user ( even savy one able to use the app without reading the
> documentation ) to go to the dokumentation to see what global shortcuts it
See above, I expect him to go to the documentation to learn how the app
should be used and what it provides.
> Or even better do that on each and every update. The programmer could have
> decided to change some of the global shortcuts.
No, thats a bug in KXmlGui that should be fixed and has nothing to do
with your problem actually.
BTW: I completely understand your points and in fact we're pretty much
on the same page actually. You said that for apps like kwin or plasma
which have no GUI anyway there would be a need to automatically enable
their global shortcuts anyway.
I do agree that a hint about global shortcuts would be nice on app
startup and guess what, we have that already. Its called KTip ;) Just
the app developer has to use it.
You are confused; but this is your normal state.
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