RES: Re: New icon guide

[Ante Wessels]

On Sábado 21 Febrero 2004 20:36, Frans Englich wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2004 14:51, Everaldo wrote:
> > sources of images?
> > what sources?
> >
> > I liberated all the pngs that I did
> > I consider that accusation type a respect lack
> >
> > I dedicate my time everyday for the community KDE
> >
> > I am really sad in seeing people like you criticizing my work

Everaldo,

Thank you for your reaction. Of course you are right that all the crystal pngs 
are open source. 

I was referring to the vector sources you never released. 

Before the release of kde 3.2 developers ran scripts to see which crystal 
icons were missing. Many were missing. So artists started working on these 
bugs. They were hindered by the fact that many vector sources are missing. 

fi Frank Karlitschek wrote:
"The problem is that in KDE 3.2 still a lot of icons are from the old hicolor 
theme. I made many icons in the last few month to make 3.2 as complete and 
consistent as possible by combining and modifying existing PNGs. But this is 
very difficult and time consuming. It would be great for KDE if the motivated 
and talented developers and artists on kde-artists and kde-look.org would be 
able to help to create the missing icons. But the sourcefiles of the base 
crystal icons are needed. You are harming KDE if you and everaldo become 
indispensable."

Chris was at a certain moment recreating vector icons from pixel icons. Very 
hard work, and senseless since the vectors already exists - if only you would 
have released them. It makes me think: An artist that gets paid for his work 
lets artists that do not get paid for their work clean up the mess he 
creates. It is no way to threat fellow artists.

That fact that the vectors are not released is seriously hampering the kde 
project.

You write there are incompatibilities between the vectors from illustrator and 
kde. The engineer on this list says that the gradients you use are too 
complex. If you can get the same results with simpler gradients, there are no 
technical problems. Without sources nobody can try to repair this. If the 
illustrator files can not be saved to svg, then we need the illustrator .ai 
files. 

Without vector sources it is very hard to maintain the Crystal icon set. 

Everaldo, you write I am disrespectful. This is true. I respect you as a great 
artist. I do not respect the fact that you are causing a lot of extra work for 
other artists. A vector icon set with many vectors missing is not truly an 
open source project. You are keeping kde in lock. 

Cordialemente,

Ante

>
> Hold on.. :) Your work is very much appreciated, and I think that speaks
> for all of the KDE developers. Andy Fawcett does not question your
> dedication to the KDE community, nor if it's in the spirit of Open Source,
> but rather the formal requirements of the licensing.
> Ante Wessels when writing "the Crystal icons are not really open source" he
> most likely refers to the remaining svgs or the other working formats(the
> PNGs is as we know open source'd) for the crystal icons. The absence of the
> source/working format files for the crystal icons causes us a lot of
> trouble.
>
> But, there is an explanation to this. Judging from the interview you gave
> on LinuxCult[1] the reason why they are in png and not svg is because the
> final working format is really not svg but psd(if I got everything right).
> So, while on the subject - is there any possibility the source files(psd,
> svg, whatever) could be made available for the KDE community?
>
> And please note, your work is _very_ much appreciated, there is just
> practical problems when the working formats is not available.
>
> Cheers! :)
>
> 		Frans
>
>
> 1.
> http://linuxcult.com/?m=show&id=157
>
> > -----Mensagem original-----
> > De: Andy Fawcett [mailto:andy at athame.co.uk]
> > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2004 08:05
> > Para: kde-core-devel at mail.kde.org; kde-core-devel at kde.org;
> > vitanova2 at softhome.net
> > Cc: kde-artists at kde.org
> > Assunto: K-ARTIST: Re: New icon guide
> >
> > On Friday 20 February 2004 12:16, Ante Wessels wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, the Crystal icons are not really open source. Everaldo
> > > never releases sources...
> >
> > http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8341 doesn't give
> > licence information, nor does www.everaldo.com, nor the downloadable
> > tarball.
> >
> > Can we have clarification about the licence under which the Crystal
> > icons are included in KDE? This _could_ cause packaging problems if
> > they are not truly Open Source.
> >
> > A.

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