App duplication again (Re: new project in kdemultimedia)

[Oliver Bausinger]

On Saturday 04 May 2002 16:38, Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Saturday May 04, 2002 07:17, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > > OK, meanwhile I was told that this new CD burner (k3b) in
> > > > kdemultimedia adds another 700+ strings which means that we now have
> > > > something like 2000 strings for CD burning apps alone for each and
> > > > every of our 50+ translation teams. Even if we can re-use a lot of
> > > > these strings I think the situation is getting absurd. And I'm not
> > > > only talking CD burners here.
> > >
> > > If translators don't wish to translate the new app, nobody's forcing
> > > them to do so.
> > >
> > > Why should translators get a double super veto over what goes into
> > > KDE?
> >
> > And why not finally have a vote page for the following applications:
>
> Because KDE isn't a democracy.  Developers are under no obligation to
> implement the result of a vote.  That is, KDE has no leverage to force the
> developers if the result doesn't go the way they want.  KDE can only
> enforce a negative - removing apps and reverting commits.  It can't force
> developers to "team up," or force a developer to move into CVS and comply
> with KDE CVS rules.  It can't force developers to add features and
> redesign UIs.
>
> This is a good thing.  User feedback is important, but to have users make
> decisions is to ask them to take over some of the developer
> responsibility.  The average user is not necessarily inclined nor
> qualified to make release decisions in a way that is in line with KDE's
> goals and previous success.
>
> Further, to put these up for a vote assumes that the options in each vote
> are interchangable.  They are not.  Hetz, you and I clashed at least twice
> on whether CD Bake Oven or KreateCD would be better for KDE.  We both
> argued that one was better for a particular group of users.  So, just as
> we have KWrite and Kate for different kinds of users, why not have CD Bake
> Oven and KreateCD for different kinds of users?
>

You hit the exact point! Kate and Kwrite share most of their code. CDBO and 
KreateCD don't. 

> Lastly, any online vote would just hand the results to whoever has access
> to the most IP addresses to vote from.