Style guide decision needed (was: [Kopete-devel] Bug#40938: behaviour change request)

[Antonio Larrosa Jiménez]

El Sunday 28 April 2002 13:26, Martijn Klingens escribió:
> On Sunday 28 April 2002 00:34, Antonio Larrosa Jiménez wrote:
> > IMHO, I think that most people (in fact, I :-) ) use kopete just like
> > any irc client. I have never seen any irc client where Enter didn't
> > submit what you wrote, and I think that's what it should do in kopete.
>
> And use shift-enter for newlines? Remember that MSN, ICQ, and most other

No, no. Read below or in my other mails.

> protocols explicitly support multi-line messages. I actually use that
> ability quite a lot. In IRC that is (unfortunately, IMO) not even
> possible, which is why the enter key is available for whatever you want.

> Also, I think ctrl-enter should be a secondary key binding in single
> line edits, so that one just 'always' works, and normal enter being a
> convenience key in those cases where it doesn't conflict.
>

Yes, perhaps that would be nice, but IMVHO, not enough.

> > I've used kopete some times to talk with some MSN users friends and I
> > always found annoying that I had to move my hand to the mouse and
> > click submit to submit the text I wrote.
>
> Wow... That's a long time ago then :-) I hacked the ctrl-enter into the
> MSN dialog even before Kopete moved from SoruceForge to KDE CVS, so
> apparently you're a long-time user :P

I'm afraid I'm not, I just used it since it moved to kde cvs, but I never 
found Ctrl-Enter until someone said it in this thread (again, imagine when 
will the average user find it).

>
> > And no, nobody will find out that Ctrl-Enter submits it, at least not
> > "normal users".
>
> That's the single true argument against it for MSN users. ICQ users and
> KMail users are already used to the key, so they will find out. For MSN

I thought Ctrl-Enter was bound to "send mail now". I never thought 
Ctrl-Enter was a way to submit what I wrote since a mail is much different 
than a sentence (which is what I send to the people I talk to, as opposed 
to people I write to, just sentences, in separate lines).

> (which uses enter in MS' own client) you're right.
>

It's not only about MS's client (which I never used so I don't know how it 
works), but about intuition. In a shell, Enter executes (submits) the line 
that you wrote while you have to do something different (writing \ at eol) 
to execute (submit) multiple lines at once. Of course, we shouldn't force 
the user to write \ to provide multi line edits, but I think providing an 
option to use single line edits (by default) or multilineedits would be 
nice.

> > Note that I'm not talking in general, but about kopete dialogs. I
> > don't care about multilineedits or lineedits, but I think Enter in
> > kopete should submit and if that means changing the multilineedit for
> > a lineedit just for consistency with Enter behaviour, I vote for that.
>
> You can't. You must be able to support multi-line messages!
>

IMHO kopete should always support them on "receive", but only to send them 
when the appropiate option is set (_and_ show a message box when the user 
checks the checkbox which says "In order to provide multi line messages, 
you have to press Ctrl-Enter to submit your message while Enter just adds 
a new line" ).

Greetings,

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Antonio Larrosa Jimenez
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http://devel-home.kde.org/~larrosa/
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