[kde-community] KDE Mission - let's do this!
thomas.pfeiffer at kde.org
Tue May 10 15:18:39 UTC 2016
On Montag, 9. Mai 2016 22:49:15 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> > Let's finish our mission before we lose interest ;)
> thanks for pushing :-)
> No objections from my side, just a few thoughts, in no specific order:
Glad to hear :)
> * I don't like the term "reach <somebody> where they are", to me this always
> kind of implies that the person in question is currently somehow in a wrong
> place (in German: "die Leute da abholen, wo sie sind" :-/ )
> Basically this is the "everyone" from the vision.
> So maybe
> "To be able to make the software available to everyone, KDE"... ?
There are actually slightly different underlying positions concerning
I assume that for both of us, a perfect world would be one where everybody
used exclusively free software/hardware/services/content. We both know that
this will probably never happen, so we have to aim for something more
realistic. And this is where our priorities diverge:
- For me, it's more important to get people away from as much non-Free stuff
- For you, it's more important to get our Free stuff to as many people as
Both positions are perfectly valid, of course. Now the problem is: How can we
tell what KDE as a whole puts more emphasis on, when nobody but us voices
> * To me, "classic desktop" does not really fit into "reach users where they
Ok, so where would you put it? I'm open to any suggestion here.
> * One could argue that to provide control, freedom and privacy for users,
> KDE's products do not only need to have those properties, but the products
> actually need to cover a substantial range of the users needs.
> IOW, e.g. by offering a range of niche nerdy applications, let's say 3D
> printer software and a desktop ruler, we wouldn't do much to achieve our
> So, should there be some mention of what we want to "produce" ?
> Something like desktop, office, education, creation, etc. ?
Even "niche nerdy applications" do contribute to our vision, but of course the
more users, the bigger the impact.
The question is, though: Does the "substantial range of the users needs"
really need to be covered by KDE software? For example, there is still no
advanced photo editing software from KDE, because the Krita team decided that
GIMP has that need covered just fine and Krita should focus on digital painting
I, personally, think that the goal should be that /Free Software/ covers all
common user needs. Whether that software is made by KDE, GNOME, GNU, TDF,
Apache, any other organization or an independent project does not matter that
much to me.
Of course there are some applications which greatly benefit from a very tight
integration with the desktop environment or other applications, and it makes
sense to offer these from one source, but that group might not actually be all
That said, I have nothing against offering some examples of areas we think we
should cover, I just won't be the one to provide them.
> * you mention "embedded". I haven't seen any comments here e.g. from KF5- or
> plasma-developers expressing strong interest.
I'd like to keep it in unless someone says they explicitly do not want to
target embedded. The mission should not just reflect what we're already doing,
but what we _should_ be doing, after all.
> * "on major [...] OS" -> "on all major [...] OS" ?
> * "have consistent [...] interfaces", "available on major [...] OS, e.g. by
> applying Qt" can easily be interpreted that Qt (and our set of libraries) is
> used to achieve portability and consistent user interfaces, which could
> easily be interpreted as e.g. a gtk-application is not part of our
As far as portability (especially towards mobile platforms) is concerned, GTK
is indeed not the toolkit of choice. In the mobile space, Qt (or more
specifically QtQuick) seems to have pretty clearly won against GTK.
I don't see how mentioning Qt as an example of a toolkit that helps us with
that effort would exclude GTK applications. If someone would ask us what
toolkit to use for a new KDE application, we'd still very likely recommend Qt,
Maybe I'll just spell out "for example" because that makes it harder to miss
> * the two last points of "to create a convincing user experience" are quite
> generic and inconcrete, i.e. they don't add much tangible
They are, but I think they are important as reminders that we should not
oppose things which are out of our comfort zone.
The last point is mostly to make sure we keep doing what we're doing in that
regard, the third is remind us not to repeat our mistakes from the past (like
being waaaay too late to the mobile party)
I think both points are important. Suggestions for how to make them more
tangible are welcome!
Thank you for the input,
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