[kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - second draft for discussion

Alexander Neundorf neundorf at kde.org
Sat Feb 27 20:29:10 UTC 2016


On Saturday, February 27, 2016 19:42:44 Stephen Kelly wrote:
> Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> >> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life" (in ->
> >> over) seems a great vision.
> > 
> > personally I'd like to have included that this can be done
> 
> At least in my view (see my mail), a vision is not 'done' at all. It is only
> for inspiration.


by "this can be done" I didn't mean "we will do the following to realize 
this", but the "do" refers to the action of "having control over their digital 
life".

> 
> > - independent from the commercial interest of companies
> 
> Out of scope of the vision. See also my mail.
> 
> > - available for everybody to use
> 
> The vision Jos and I discuss says 'everyone'. See also my mail.

Yes, right.
 
> > - using solutions which can survive long-term
> 
> Implied by the vision.
>
> Actually I take this back. It's not implied by a vision. The question is out
> of scope.
> 
> A vision is not done, and a 'solution' is out of scope.

Isn't this nitpicking on the language ?

Let me take an example. Let's take whatsapp.

It is not free of cost, but really cheap. So to me this more or less qualifies 
as "available to everyone". Not ideal (free of cost), but close.
Let's assume a Whatsapp user would have fully satisfying control over his 
privacy, his data, etc.
This would qualify as "control over his digital life".
Still, this is for me not enough.

The user still depends on the company to continue the product, to not change 
the terms and conditions, etc.
The user still is forced to use a device where the software runs, and has lost 
if the app is e.g. not ported to the new mobile OS of the day, to some new 
processor, etc.
To me, this is not satisfying.

Or, IOW, the technology should be available similar to how pen and paper are 
available today - very cheap, not dependent on a single company, notes written 
today will be still readable in 100 years, the knowledge how to create them is 
no secret, etc.

Does that make clearer what I mean.

> I don't know if you read my mail, but I'd encourage you to do so.

TBH, it's so long I got lost.

Alex




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