[kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Friday, February 12, 2016 09:15:39 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> > > No, seriously, in the last weeks several people contacted me in private
> > > email  and expressed that they are not exactly happy, some even
> > > seriously
> > > frustrated with the strong emphasis on non-technical topics in KDE in
> > > the
> > > last few years, and they would prefer to get some more emphasis on
> > > technology and products back.
> >
> > You know, same here: People express concerns about people who want to
> > steer
> > KDE into a self-fullfilling, narrow-minded playground project. 
> 
> are you saying that the people who would prefer some more technical
> direction  are wrong, they want the wrong thing, what you call
> "self-fulfilling, narrow- minded playground project" ?

That would mean they actually understood what their opinion entails and share 
concerns about the risk it brings. It's at least obvious that they don't share 
our concerns.

> Can we please assume that everybody who is in KDE wants it succeed, and 
> consider their opinions seriously ?
> I'm sure nobody here wants to harm KDE.

Could you please stop trying to read things into my words that I didn't mean. 
It's highly annoying and derails the discussion time and time again, and I'm 
getting really, really tired by it. You're just not being constructive.

> The decision, that we need a "community vision", and not a "product vision" 
> was made by the inclusive-draft team, consisting at that time of 5 people
> in private discussion, and then presented as only choice to the community.

Erm, no. The decision was that *this group* wanted to focus on a community 
vision. At the same time, we have been working on product visions (see the one 
for Plasma Mobile, for example.)

Please be more careful when you put words into other people's mouth, this 
discussion is convoluted enough already, not thinking this kind of stuff 
through is one reason for that.

Honestly, in one sentence, you agree to the do-ocracy principle, and in the 
next you're accusing others of making decisions on behalf of the community 
while your information about what's going on is at the very least, incomplete.

By all means, feel free to create product visions. You can kindly skip Plasma, 
we'll take care of that, but there are plenty of others who may be happy to 
receive help.
-- 
sebas

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