[kde-community] stackexange site for krita

Thu Feb 26 22:45:53 GMT 2015

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Dweeble <dweeble01103 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:19:39 -0500, Laszlo Papp <lpapp at kde.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble <dweeble01103 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp <lpapp at kde.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
>>>> <martin.klapetek at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
>>>> going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
>>>> sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
>>>> account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
>>>> on the top left of the cover page for AU.
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
>>>>> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the
>>>>> moderation
>>>>> and stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
>>>> in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
>>>> Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
>>>> not want to compromise that.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> --
>>>>> Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it
>>> looks
>>> like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu
>>> sites)
>>> not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and
>> answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not
>> the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end
>> resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for
>> the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and
>> grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal.
>>
>> Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on
>> SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that
>> noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but
>> not after submitting the "final" answer.
>>
>> On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list
>> or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But
>> that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result".
>>
>>> And
>>> surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
>>> many answers as I would have expected.
>>
>>
>> Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall
>> issue for many technology areas on SE.
>>
>>> I would think making the existing facilities better would be more
>>> cost/labor
>>> efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
>>> community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
>>> Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number
>>> should
>>> not be considered acceptable.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I agree.
>>
>> There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and
>> latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions
>> either if many questions are very low quality.
>>
>> Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software
>> (although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I
>> do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may
>> disagree with me, for sure.
>>
>> Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it
>> would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They
>> can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X
>> million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which,
>> while I respect, I do not agree with.
>>
>> Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack
>> Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must
>> be really cool".
>>
>> To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous
>> that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading
>> towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone
>> tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this
>> argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better
>> algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in
>> Google's best interest.
>>
>> Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times
>> on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official
>> documentation is good enough. In those cases, it is a pity that the
>> official documentation or something better than Stack Exchange answers
>> is not on the top... A good example would be an expert's blog.
>>
>> I trust and truly believe that the free software world needs to
>> challenge Stack Exchange to avoid vendor lock-in by non-free software
>> for a very important use case.
>>
>>>
>>> Google01103 (I hang at the Forum occasionally)
>>>
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>
> For KDE specific needs there are already a fair number places to get answers
> - IRC, KDE forums, Reddit, KDE mailing lists and this doesn't include the
> distro provided ones which I think get the majority of the views except in
> the cases of certain sw like Kexi, Krita and Kdenlive. Adding additional KDE
> services could weaken the effectiveness of the existing ones - for example
> how many of these things will/can a dev participate in and it's the dev's
> participation that is the biggest selling point in KDE provided services and
> will it really generate additional participation in the KDE community?
>
> Obviously you can'r answer 100% of queries but it is an honorable the goal
>
> I think it should looked at what services are currently provided and how to
> make them better and more attractive

This is a new activity as far as I am aware. Remember that KDE is not
a mandatory job for living in case of the most people in here. We do
it because we like it. Most of us do it spare time beside the time,
energy, money and resource consuming main job, family life, other
hobbies, etc. Therefore, people will pick what they like. My
preference may be contributing to a Q/A site as opposed to a forum and
your preference may be different. Guess what? Both are fine; nothing
is wrong in my opinion. :-)

In other words, people will either spend their time with what they
like or they will move away. It requires special management in
projects like this to deal with this. In a paid job, your employer may
give you the direction, vision and obligation that you need to cope
with or leave, but in open source projects in spare time, you pick
what you personally like.

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