[kde-community] Fundraiser money handling/redistribution - Re: KDE fundraisers and things we've learned

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 20:41:52, Bruno Coudoin va escriure:
> Le 30/12/2014 19:52, Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> > El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:29:47, Bruno Coudoin va 
escriure:
> >> Le 30/12/2014 18:49, Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> >>> El Dilluns, 22 de desembre de 2014, a les 21:00:25, Mario Fux va 
escriure:
> >>>> Good morning dear KDE people
> >>>> 
> >>>> After KDE's first fundraiser (crowdfunding attempt) in 2012 [1] we had
> >>>> (or
> >>>> it's still ongoing) six more this year:
> >>>> - For the Randa Meetings 2014 [2]
> >>>> - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development [3]
> >>>> - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4]
> >>>> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising [5]
> >>>> - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6]
> >>>> - Kommander [8]
> >>>> 
> >>>> Money is not an easy topic
> >>>> but avoiding it doesn't solve the problems. And if people don't know
> >>>> about
> >>>> certain things like that they should coordinate with KDE e.V. in the
> >>>> case
> >>>> of money they won't. So it's on us to tell the community and tell new
> >>>> members of the community.
> >>> 
> >>> This is an interesting topic too and i wanted to bring it up for some
> >>> time.
> >>> 
> >>> I'd say the type of fundraiser can be split into two types:
> >>>    * KDE generic
> >>>    
> >>>     - For the Randa Meetings 2014
> >>>     - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising
> >>>    
> >>>    * Project specific
> >>>    
> >>>     - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development
> >>>     [3]
> >>>     - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4]
> >>>     - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising
> >>>     [5]
> >>>     - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6]
> >>>     - Kommander [8]
> >>> 
> >>> I'm all for specific projects doing fundraisers for their own things
> >>> (though as said in the previous email i'd like some more coordination
> >>> happening), don't think i'm not.
> >>> 
> >>> But,
> >>> 
> >>> Sometimes that projects that have had project specific fundraisers
> >>> request
> >>> funds from the KDE eV to run a sprint.
> >>> 
> >>> KDE eV funds are not unlimited, so for me sometimes it seems that those
> >>> projects are being a bit unfair to the rest by running their own
> >>> fundraisers and then also asking for money from the common pot.
> >>> 
> >>> What would people think if for those projects that have run "big"
> >>> fundraisers (we don't want to put off people that did a 100€ fundraiser)
> >>> the KDE eV would only sponsor part of a sprint and the rest of the money
> >>> should come from the money they raised independently?
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> My feeling is that projects begging for money
> > 
> > I'd suggest you don't use "begging for money", it doesn't have a good
> > sound ;)
> True, bad wordings.
> 
> >> one way or another are
> >> either the most active or have a good plan for it.
> > 
> > I don't understand what you mean with this sentence to be honest.
> 
> I just mean to say that requesting money is a sign that the project is
> alive.
> 
> >> The rule you propose would 'punish' at KDE eV level these projects which
> >> may be the best candidate for the requested fund.
> > 
> > I don't think It would punish anyone, it think it makes money distribution
> > fairer.
> 
> Sure the discussion is to find the best way to share a scarce resource,
> money. My point was that having independent funds or not may not be the
> best criteria. Sure we have to take this in account so the whole
> discussion is more  about by how much to value this criteria in the
> decision process.
> 
> >> What concerns me is that some projects by their nature may be easier to
> >> fund independently. Other low level project with deep or hidden code
> >> which are of major importance for the KDE infrastructure are
> >> disadvantaged.
> >> 
> >> Why don't we give KDE eV funds by comparing what the requester want to
> >> do with the money and what is the added value to KDE as a whole.
> > 
> > Because as i said, the world has a limited amount of money and so does the
> > KDE eV.
> > 
> > When project X asks money for itself instead of asking money for KDE eV,
> > it's probable that if person Y donates, then person Y may not donate to
> > general KDE eV fund raisers since he'll think (i already donated) so
> > project X gets a donation and not the KDE eV.
> 
> Well, you are assuming that people willing to help KDE are the same as
> the one helping a specific project. This is not necessary true, in the
> case of GCompris the audience goes beyond KDE, I can't measure it but
> for sure some money we got on our graphic fund raising does not comes
> from our KDE supporters.

How can the audience go beyond KDE if GCompris is just a subset of KDE?

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> Bruno.
> 
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