[kde-community] Fundraiser money handling/redistribution - Re: KDE fundraisers and things we've learned
staniek at kde.org
Tue Dec 30 20:39:40 GMT 2014
On 30 December 2014 at 19:55, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:29:47, Bruno Coudoin va escriure:
>> Le 30/12/2014 18:49, Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
>> > El Dilluns, 22 de desembre de 2014, a les 21:00:25, Mario Fux va escriure:
>> >> Good morning dear KDE people
>> >> After KDE's first fundraiser (crowdfunding attempt) in 2012  we had
>> >> (or
>> >> it's still ongoing) six more this year:
>> >> - For the Randa Meetings 2014 
>> >> - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development 
>> >> - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! 
>> >> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising 
>> >> - New Unified Graphics for GCompris 
>> >> - Kommander 
>> >> Money is not an easy topic
>> >> but avoiding it doesn't solve the problems. And if people don't know
>> >> about
>> >> certain things like that they should coordinate with KDE e.V. in the case
>> >> of money they won't. So it's on us to tell the community and tell new
>> >> members of the community.
>> > This is an interesting topic too and i wanted to bring it up for some
>> > time.
>> > I'd say the type of fundraiser can be split into two types:
>> > * KDE generic
>> > - For the Randa Meetings 2014
>> > - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising
>> > * Project specific
>> > - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development 
>> > - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! 
>> > - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising 
>> > - New Unified Graphics for GCompris 
>> > - Kommander 
>> > I'm all for specific projects doing fundraisers for their own things
>> > (though as said in the previous email i'd like some more coordination
>> > happening), don't think i'm not.
>> > But,
>> > Sometimes that projects that have had project specific fundraisers request
>> > funds from the KDE eV to run a sprint.
>> > KDE eV funds are not unlimited, so for me sometimes it seems that those
>> > projects are being a bit unfair to the rest by running their own
>> > fundraisers and then also asking for money from the common pot.
>> > What would people think if for those projects that have run "big"
>> > fundraisers (we don't want to put off people that did a 100€ fundraiser)
>> > the KDE eV would only sponsor part of a sprint and the rest of the money
>> > should come from the money they raised independently?
>> My feeling is that projects begging for money one way or another are
>> either the most active or have a good plan for it.
>> The rule you propose would 'punish' at KDE eV level these projects which
>> may be the best candidate for the requested fund.
>> What concerns me is that some projects by their nature may be easier to
>> fund independently.
> You're saying they are easier to fund independently, but they should still
> have access to the common pot? Seems a bit counter-intuitive to me to be
It is not if we are talking about fund raisers reaching people and
organizations that have no idea what KDE Plasma is, and have no
interest in knowing. Exploring areas where if people are get mildly
interested in hearing what FOSS is, we have to admit nice-to-have
situation happened but that was not the goal. From my experience,
people are not interested in doctrines, in my books it's most of the
The point of fund raising is to get the funds, and often use it to
develop what cannot be developed in free time. And use the remaining
to raise more and regularly, a vital practice.
To be honest I'm not doing that because it's so expensive for me at the moment.
Intuition based on a "common pot" metaphor assumes everyone knows and
understands what "KDE" is.
A few of us expressed interest in knowing the statistics of our user
base. I am so happy to own some and have to say again, KDE Plasma
isn't in the top 2 for a cross-platform app. So the "common" pot is
not so common, it's rather part of the long tail.
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