[kde-community] Why were there no talks about Ubuntu Mobile at Akademy?

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dimarts, 20 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:11:04, Jos Poortvliet va escriure:
> On Friday 16 August 2013 10:49:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 August 2013 13:37:56 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > Heya,
> > > 
> > > See the subject - I don't understand why, if Ubuntu wants people to
> > > develop apps for their Qt/QML based Phone OS (and perhaps, later,
> > > desktop), they were not at Akademy? Not as sponsors, not with a booth,
> > > not with talks and sessions... Or were they and I just didn't notice
> > > them?
> > > 
> > > They DID know that the single largest bunch of qualified Qt/QML
> > > developers was having a meeting in Spain, did they?
> > 
> > So, from the replies I summarize:
> > - There were developers and talks, just a bit under the radar. A honest
> > miscalculation of what Akademy is for*
> > - Our marketing efforts of "KDE is people" has backfired, Canonical now
> > thinks KDE = Aaron and Aaron = KDE ;-)
> > 
> > So, how do we fix this? Again, from the perspective of "all
> > Linux-on-smartphone efforts should be as successful as possible" and (an
> > admittedly personal belief) "collaboration works better", we should try to
> > work with them.
> > 
> > What would work best? I'm guessing Albert and Michael have been doing
> > their
> > best to explain that we'd love to collaborate so I think we should ask
> > them
> > - how can we help you guys?
> > 
> > Speaking for myself (as just a promo dude) I will do what I can: if
> > there's
> > anything KDE related to an Ubuntu Phone announcement, I will be more than
> > happy to help promote it over KDE channels; and I'd be happy to (help)
> > write something about KDE tech on the Ubuntu Phone to give some attention
> > to the fund raising efforts from Canonical. Also, I could suggest a
> > "Ubuntu Phone developers guide for KDE developers" but that'd require
> > help from a technical person.
> > 
> > Obviously I'd be willing to help the collaboration in other areas as well,
> > wherever and however I can.
> > 
> > I think Aaron already made clear that he would be happy to work on sharing
> > as much as possible with the Plasma efforts he's involved in and kick folk
> > around him to do the same. I just make the wild bet that the Frameworks
> > folk are perfectly open to the same - standards benefit us all, so does
> > sharing libraries. They are turning KDE Libraries into components which
> > are
> > separately useful, that sounds like a terribly useful think for Ubuntu
> > Phone.
> 
> So I get plenty of replies in no time all over that I'm wrong, but when I
> offer help and ask how we can actually do something constructive, there's
> only silence? If the Canonical folks on this list don't feel like this mail
> was directed at them - you're hereby corrected. If you don't feel like
> there is anything you can do, please say so, we can then discuss trying to
> talk to somebody at Canonical directly.

I did not read your email as a question but as a statement, hence my non 
answer, but if you want one from me, here's my take.

Yes, KDE Frameworks is very interesting. But it's still not done and Canonical 
is going to ship a version of the Ubuntu Touch software by october, so it's 
just not aligned in time properly.

Same applies for [almost] every other tech we have in KDE, it's either qt4 
only or qt4+qt5 with the qt5 version being alpha/beta.

This makes it very hard for Canonical to use any of those technologies since 
the Ubuntu Touch platform is Qt5 based.

So basically answering your "how can we help you guys?" question, I think the 
first step is having stuff Canonical can use. After this happens, 
you/we/someone can start "selling stuff".

Of course you can argue that Canonical could help in the development of those 
Qt5 ports, but as I said, there's a release to be done in October so doesn't 
make much sense to focus on things that are not release critical.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> /J
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Jos
> > 
> > 
> > * that would be to let everybody in the KDE ecosystem meet and collaborate
> > - and anybody who could use KDE tech or would want to somehow work with
> > KDE folk can and should be as vocal as possible about that at Akademy!
> > Community is about building mutually beneficial relationships. If it is
> > all about giving or taking, it doesn't work for one of the parties and
> > makes no sense. We're all adult enough to understand companies have their
> > needs and goals and we can deal with that. We do with Jolla and
> > Blackberry and Digia and KDAB and ICS, why not Canonical?
> > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jos