Commercial Linux software

Jos Poortvliet jospoortvliet at gmail.com
Tue Feb 22 00:56:00 CET 2011 

On 2011-02-21 Frank wrote:
> On 21.02.2011, at 21:13, Eugene Trounev wrote:
> > I had to convince you? :P I thought it was your baby to start with.
> 
> Hehe. I meant the importance if commercial software. :-)

Ok, so we now have Andrew. Who might be able to help out. Andrew, I 
suggest to try and figure out what the heck the Bretzn ppl have been up 
to, and where in the architecture any commercial/payment system has to 
tie in...

> > Just to let you guys know - I'm not dead :) I'm working very hard
> > on coming up with a sensible and good looking design for the front
> > (on load) page and a Friends page here.
> 
> Wow. Very cool
> 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Eugene Trounev
> > [it-s]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Frank Karlitschek
> > <karlitschek at kde.org> wrote: Hmm,
> > 
> > I think you convinced me Eugene. :-)
> > We should build something quickly to build this house for the Linux
> > Desktop.
> > 
> > But I think we need more volunteers for this. I hope we find some
> > more people to help.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Frank
> > 
> > On 21.02.2011, at 18:45, Eugene Trounev wrote:
> > > And so would we :) That's why it's so important to act quickly
> > > and build up a solid, easily expendable distribution system, and
> > > make it popular and widely accepted across Linux distros, and
> > > then introduce a pay service.
> > > 
> > > See the problem here is we are discussing where we will put a
> > > couch in out new home, we haven't yet built ;)
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > 
> > > Eugene Trounev
> > > [it-s]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> > > <jospoortvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 2011-02-17 Frank wrote:
> > > > Yes. I agree with Eugene here.
> > > > Commercial Linux software might become important in the future
> > > > but it is not now. At least I don´t know a lot of commercial
> > > > software for Linux or People who bought it.
> > > 
> > > Hmmm, isn't there a chicken-and-egg problem? I know at least
> > > World of Goo has been very popular - I bought it myself as well
> > > and I would've preferred to do that in a proper and easy to use
> > > appstore like system :D
> > > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Frank
> > > > 
> > > > On 16.02.2011, at 16:16, Eugene Trounev wrote:
> > > > > I agree with your stance there 100%, however I believe that
> > > > > all should come in due time. To be perfectly honest we don't
> > > > > really have anything there yet. All that happened so far is
> > > > > we (all distros, KDE, and GNOME people) came together and
> > > > > discussed a possibility of having a semi-universal
> > > > > app-distribution system. Moreover we actually agreed on
> > > > > having one :D But all it was is just words for now, and one
> > > > > semi-functional proof of concept app. I think (and most
> > > > > would agree with me here) we should implement the system
> > > > > first, make sure it works as intended, start promoting it,
> > > > > and then start thinking about extending it in such a
> > > > > complicated manner as are legals, licensing, payment
> > > > > structure/system and so on. However we still may at least
> > > > > discuss what is/might be needed to implement/facilitate such
> > > > > a system. So why won't we do that for starters?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Eugene Trounev
> > > > > [it-s]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andrew
> > > > > <primary.edw at gmail.com> wrote: Eugene,
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Actually I think now is the perfect time to start thinking
> > > > >   about
> > > 
> > > the inclusion of pay supported applications. When dealing with a
> > > 
> > > distribution platform there are many things to consider including:
> > > > >     • licensing : including subscriptions, affliate programs,
> > > > >     system constaints etc • individual repositories based on
> > > > >     user purchases - so you need to consider authentication
> > > > >     etc • large data formats - for example some game
> > > > >     applications have 1Gb+ downloads - would this be better
> > > > >     via bittorrent vs other means • Looking at non app items
> > > > >     such as ebooks, movies, music etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am sure I missed somethings regarding ther things that
> > > > > consideration. I have some in my personal research on this -
> > > > > but not on hand.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also disagree that the market is infinately small, there
> > > > > are a lot of Linux commercial applications available however
> > > > > they are hard to find because there is no central place to
> > > > > market them. In just about every genre of applications there
> > > > > is a commercial application; and I would also look at the
> > > > > success of the Android/mobile platform - the market wasn't
> > > > > there until it was created. We shouldn't also limit it to
> > > > > desktop applications - the server/web space is an area that
> > > > > I think could also benefit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also think the game market on a Linux platform could be
> > > > > boosted dramtically if there was an easy way to install and
> > > > > use high quality programs. Games is one of the last
> > > > > hold-outs for Linux success on the desktop. Game
> > > > > manufactures really don't have a good way to get the games
> > > > > into players hands under Linux and a system like this could
> > > > > get the ball rolling.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also think the use of in-app payments and donations is one
> > > > > area that could really be potentially a big deal. I think
> > > > > consideration of this is required as things like SDK's and
> > > > > business functionality needs to be looked at now and not
> > > > > added later.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sorry I don't mean to sound abrupt :) I am very excited by
> > > > > this prospect, and would love to see it come through as a
> > > > > reality!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best Regards
> > > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 15 February 2011 05:13, Eugene Trounev
> > > > > <eugene.trounev at gmail.com> wrote: Well, we actually talked
> > > > > about this briefly at bretzen, but agreed that this was not
> > > > > a priority right now. The paid application market under
> > > > > linux is infinitely small, + there is no point even talking
> > > > > about this before we have a sensible distribution platform
> > > > > for it. So, plan minimum - develop a cross distro, cross
> > > > > architecture, easy to use distribution platform. Plan
> > > > > maximum - start thinking about what to sell, and how.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Eugene Trounev
> > > > > [it-s]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2011/2/14 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   thanks Jos for the introduction. What I was discussing
> > > > > >   with Jos was that
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > about 12 months ago I was investigating the possibility of
> > > > > > a cross-distro app store for the commercial side of Linux
> > > > > > apps. Some of the things that came up was the payment and
> > > > > > licensing handling and in-app payment work. Unfortunately
> > > > > > the lack of resources at the time prevented me from
> > > > > > promoting this idea further.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When discussing the common app installer with Jos I
> > > > > > mentioned that the commercial applications (and other
> > > > > > digital deliverables) had unfortunately not been well
> > > > > > promoted, especially in the gaming and commercial
> > > > > > development tools; let alone a micro-payment donation
> > > > > > system etc.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have been working in payment systems (for all different
> > > > > > payment types), micro-payment, affiliate and mass payout
> > > > > > systems for the last 4 years. I have been involved at all
> > > > > > levels including bank gateways, fraud controls and working
> > > > > > with PCI compliance .
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am still reviewing some of the information that Jos has
> > > > > > gave me and I am looking forward to seeing project going.
> > > > > > Looking forward to hearing more and joining the list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Laddies and gents, I haven't seen any replies to this - has
> > > > > there been any thought on payment systems, on commercial
> > > > > apps etc? Does this have to happen with the Appstream team?
> > > > > Other?
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 27 January 2011 14:43, Jos Poortvliet
> > > > > > <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jos,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >    it was really good to talk to you last night
> > > > > > > >    regarding the common app
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > installer work. I am very interested in seeing what I
> > > > > > > > can bring to the table with regards to this project.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > First off you now have my contact details and perhaps
> > > > > > > > we can discuss all this further over a coffee before
> > > > > > > > you go.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to do some catch-up on what
> > > > > > > > you mentioning to
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > me!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Awesome. Let me introduce you to Frank Karlitschek & the
> > > > > > > bretzn team!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Guys, I spoke last night wit Andrew Mee who mentioned he
> > > > > > > has once been thinking about and working a bit on a
> > > > > > > payment system for open source app store
> > > > > > > stuff. He's knowledgable in this area and might be able
> > > > > > > to help you guys out
> > > > > > > in this rather complicated area! Subscribe him to the
> > > > > > > list and be sure to suck
> > > > > > > him in ;-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Also be sure to keep Vincent in the loop, as well as the
> > > > > > > other distro people!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks Again,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > > > > > +61401665068
> > > > > 
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