Commercial Linux software

Mon Feb 21 21:09:52 CET 2011

Hmm,

I think you convinced me Eugene. :-)
We should build something quickly to build this house for the Linux Desktop.

But I think we need more volunteers for this. I hope we find some more people to help.

Cheers
Frank

On 21.02.2011, at 18:45, Eugene Trounev wrote:

> And so would we :) That's why it's so important to act quickly and build up a solid, easily expendable distribution system, and make it popular and widely accepted across Linux distros, and then introduce a pay service.
> 
> See the problem here is we are discussing where we will put a couch in out new home, we haven't yet built ;)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Eugene Trounev
> [it-s]
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-02-17 Frank wrote:
> > Yes. I agree with Eugene here.
> > Commercial Linux software might become important in the future but it
> > is not now. At least I don´t know a lot of commercial software for
> > Linux or People who bought it.
> 
> Hmmm, isn't there a chicken-and-egg problem? I know at least World of
> Goo has been very popular - I bought it myself as well and I would've
> preferred to do that in a proper and easy to use appstore like system :D
> 
> >
> > Cheers
> > Frank
> >
> > On 16.02.2011, at 16:16, Eugene Trounev wrote:
> > > I agree with your stance there 100%, however I believe that all
> > > should come in due time. To be perfectly honest we don't really
> > > have anything there yet. All that happened so far is we (all
> > > distros, KDE, and GNOME people) came together and discussed a
> > > possibility of having a semi-universal app-distribution system.
> > > Moreover we actually agreed on having one :D But all it was is
> > > just words for now, and one semi-functional proof of concept app.
> > > I think (and most would agree with me here) we should implement
> > > the system first, make sure it works as intended, start promoting
> > > it, and then start thinking about extending it in such a
> > > complicated manner as are legals, licensing, payment
> > > structure/system and so on. However we still may at least discuss
> > > what is/might be needed to implement/facilitate such a system. So
> > > why won't we do that for starters?
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Eugene Trounev
> > > [it-s]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andrew <primary.edw at gmail.com>
> > > wrote: Eugene,
> > >
> > >   Actually I think now is the perfect time to start thinking about
> the inclusion of pay supported applications. When dealing with a
> distribution platform there are many things to consider including:
> > >     • licensing : including subscriptions, affliate programs, system
> > >     constaints etc • individual repositories based on user purchases
> > >     - so you need to consider authentication etc • large data formats
> > >     - for example some game applications have 1Gb+ downloads - would
> > >     this be better via bittorrent vs other means • Looking at non app
> > >     items such as ebooks, movies, music etc.
> > >
> > > I am sure I missed somethings regarding ther things that
> > > consideration. I have some in my personal research on this - but
> > > not on hand.
> > >
> > > I also disagree that the market is infinately small, there are a
> > > lot of Linux commercial applications available however they are
> > > hard to find because there is no central place to market them. In
> > > just about every genre of applications there is a commercial
> > > application; and I would also look at the success of the
> > > Android/mobile platform - the market wasn't there until it was
> > > created. We shouldn't also limit it to desktop applications - the
> > > server/web space is an area that I think could also benefit.
> > >
> > > I also think the game market on a Linux platform could be boosted
> > > dramtically if there was an easy way to install and use high
> > > quality programs. Games is one of the last hold-outs for Linux
> > > success on the desktop. Game manufactures really don't have a good
> > > way to get the games into players hands under Linux and a system
> > > like this could get the ball rolling.
> > >
> > > I also think the use of in-app payments and donations is one area
> > > that could really be potentially a big deal. I think consideration
> > > of this is required as things like SDK's and business
> > > functionality needs to be looked at now and not added later.
> > >
> > > Sorry I don't mean to sound abrupt :) I am very excited by this
> > > prospect, and would love to see it come through as a reality!
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Andrew Mee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 February 2011 05:13, Eugene Trounev
> > > <eugene.trounev at gmail.com> wrote: Well, we actually talked about
> > > this briefly at bretzen, but agreed that this was not a priority
> > > right now. The paid application market under linux is infinitely
> > > small, + there is no point even talking about this before we have
> > > a sensible distribution platform for it. So, plan minimum -
> > > develop a cross distro, cross architecture, easy to use
> > > distribution platform. Plan maximum - start thinking about what to
> > > sell, and how.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Eugene Trounev
> > > [it-s]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/2/14 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > >   thanks Jos for the introduction. What I was discussing with Jos
> > > >   was that
> > > >
> > > > about 12 months ago I was investigating the possibility of a
> > > > cross-distro app store for the commercial side of Linux apps.
> > > > Some of the things that came up was the payment and licensing
> > > > handling and in-app payment work. Unfortunately the lack of
> > > > resources at the time prevented me from promoting this idea
> > > > further.
> > > >
> > > > When discussing the common app installer with Jos I mentioned
> > > > that the commercial applications (and other digital
> > > > deliverables) had unfortunately not been well promoted,
> > > > especially in the gaming and commercial development tools; let
> > > > alone a micro-payment donation system etc.
> > > >
> > > > I have been working in payment systems (for all different payment
> > > > types), micro-payment, affiliate and mass payout systems for the
> > > > last 4 years. I have been involved at all levels including bank
> > > > gateways, fraud controls and working with PCI compliance .
> > > >
> > > > I am still reviewing some of the information that Jos has gave me
> > > > and I am looking forward to seeing project going.
> > > > Looking forward to hearing more and joining the list.
> > >
> > > Laddies and gents, I haven't seen any replies to this - has there
> > > been any thought on payment systems, on commercial apps etc? Does
> > > this have to happen with the Appstream team? Other?
> > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Andrew Mee
> > > >
> > > > On 27 January 2011 14:43, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > Jos,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    it was really good to talk to you last night regarding the
> > > > > >    common app
> > > > > >
> > > > > > installer work. I am very interested in seeing what I can
> > > > > > bring to the table with regards to this project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First off you now have my contact details and perhaps we can
> > > > > > discuss all this further over a coffee before you go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime I'm going to do some catch-up on what you
> > > > > > mentioning to
> > > > >
> > > > > me!
> > > > >
> > > > > Awesome. Let me introduce you to Frank Karlitschek & the bretzn
> > > > > team!
> > > > >
> > > > > Guys, I spoke last night wit Andrew Mee who mentioned he has
> > > > > once been thinking about and working a bit on a payment system
> > > > > for open source app store
> > > > > stuff. He's knowledgable in this area and might be able to help
> > > > > you guys out
> > > > > in this rather complicated area! Subscribe him to the list and
> > > > > be sure to suck
> > > > > him in ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Also be sure to keep Vincent in the loop, as well as the other
> > > > > distro people!
> > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Again,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > > > +61401665068
> > >
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