Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

fenrir and tdsr are a couple more to check out and mbrola and festival can
maybe help the human speech situation though not easily configured.


On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:

> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts quite some years ago.  Qtspeech is supposed to
> be a partial replacement, but there is no frontend program to manage the
> output of speechdispatcher (like Jovie).   e-speak works fine for me, but
> bothers everyne else who listens to my computer outptut (my partner and
> friends).  e-speak is clear enough, just does not sound like a person.  Good,
> I'll look into espeak-ng, thanks! Gustav
>
> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I had read somewhere ktts was supposed to have replaced jovie.  Also,
> > espeak-ng is a successor to espeak.  It's good you got any of this
> > working.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:36:27
> > From: Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com> To: Simion
> > <simion314 at gmail.com>, kde-accessibility at kde.org Subject: Re: Is there a
> > project that is jovie successor?
> >
> > Hi Simion,
> >
> > Thanks for your input and effort.? ?  I carefuly looked over everything you
> > mentioned, including the script but it has taken me a long time.? ?  I only
> > have a
> > rudimentary??  knowledge of scripts.? ? ?  So modifying or writing scripts
> > is beyond
> > my current possibility, especially with my vision problems.? ?  But it
> > really
> > helped me to look everything over.? ?  I decided the best way was to go back
> > to
> > trying to install it from the opensuse repos.? ?  I had failed the first
> > time and
> > created a great confusion in my setup. But it was a spare "test" setup on a
> > separate partition.? ?  I spent a lot of time cleaning up the repos,
> > updating and
> > cleaning up. And now Jovie works on opensuse 15.3!? ?  The packages come
> > from
> > unofficial repos, but someone else with the tech knowhow has put it
> > together.? ?
> > I am "forced" to upgrade soon, since the opensuse 15.2 EOL is soon.? ?  But
> > now I
> > can move forward hopefully for another 1.5 years, the life of 15.3 until a
> > better solution comes.? ?  I hope you or someone else can help come up with
> > a
> > replacement for Jovie.? ?  Thanks for your efforts.? ?  Gustav.
> > p.s. I'm posting back on the list in case it may help someone else.
> >
> > On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
> >>> Hi Gustav,
> >>> I personally would try to compile it, if I am unable I would try first a
> >>> simple bash script, the issue with next script is that is not
> >>> queuing?????????  the tasks so you can get 2 speakers at the same time or
> >>> you
> >>> can edit the script to "killall" previous taks (so an application that
> >>> runs
> >>> in background would be needed to improve the experience)
> >>>
> >>> #! /bin/bash
> >>>
> >>> xclip -out -selection primary | xclip -in -selection clipboard
> >>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " " | espeak
> >>> #end script
> >>>
> >>> or maybe python or nodejs
> >>> I am tempted to write something to do some cleanup on the input,
> >>> like when I want to read an entire reddit page of omments would be nice if
> >>> I
> >>> could?????????  clean it up?????????  first and remove all the
> >>> "reply/report
> >>> ..." buttons labels
> >>> The reason I decided that in future I would use espeak is because in my
> >>> current configuration jovie uses speech dispatcher and speech dispatcher
> >>> uses
> >>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra layer so a new placed that could cause
> >>> problems
> >>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice to have if you plant to write a cross operating
> >>> system desktop application).
> >>>
> >>> I have no plans to upgrade from my system soon,?????????  maybe when I
> >>> will
> >>> upgrade my computer or I am forced to upgrade.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You probably need to install and configure espeak, the language and speed,
> >>> you can have a key bind to?????????  run the script, you can modify the
> >>> script
> >>> to?????????  add something like "killall espeak" to stop the previous
> >>>
> >>> Sorry I can't help more.
> >>>
> >>> Regards, Simion
> >>
> >> Hi Simion,
> >>
> >> Thanks for taking the time and for your effort.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>>> Hi Simion,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your detailed reply.?????????  I use opensuse leap 15.2 with
> >>>> KDE
> >>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. ?????????  Jovie continues to work fine even
> >>>> though
> >>>> it has been deprecated.?????????  However, it no longer works on opensuse
> >>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life is in December this year. Someone has built
> >>>> packages for Jovie on the Open Build Service of Suse, but I could not get
> >>>> it
> >>>> to install properly, I think it's due to the Qt changes, I got a
> >>>> dependency
> >>>> mess.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been trying to find a replacement for Jovie for 3 years at least,
> >>>> since it was clear it would no longer be maintained.?????????  Read Aloud
> >>>> is
> >>>> a plugin for Firefox that fills all the browser needs. Thunderbird also
> >>>> has
> >>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it only works for single emails and top posted
> >>>> replies, list messages, etc.?????????  It reads only from top to bottom
> >>>> without being able to select only parts of the mail.????????? 
> >>>> LibreOffice
> >>>> has a text to speech plugin that even reads the clipboard contents, but
> >>>> it
> >>>> is cumbersome.?????????  Okular has a nice TTS function, but it often
> >>>> starts
> >>>> two different simultaneous but voices of the same text which can't be
> >>>> understood.?????????  Sometimes id functions fine.?????????  That is
> >>>> where I
> >>>> use TTS the most, and periodically to read out error messages, text boxes
> >>>> etc (for which Jovie is indispensable and for which I don't have an
> >>>> adequate
> >>>> substitute).
> >>>>
> >>>> Any suggestions??????????  Perhaps to compile Jovie from a tar
> >>>> binary??????????  Or are you seriously thinking of building a replacement
> >>>> for
> >>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion wrote:
> >>>>> Hi, no problem ,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> btw my name is Simion no Simon, don't worry it is OK just want to
> >>>>> mention
> >>>>> it to prevent issues like typos in emails
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I still use Jovie, from my fork with a few crash fixes
> >>>>> I have some scripts that I use directly espeak .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was not yet forced to give up on Jovie but my conclussion was to not
> >>>>> use
> >>>>> Qt if I have to write my own replacement,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> since I would not need some crossplatform solution I could probably make
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> python application , or even something that runs in the
> >>>>> browser????????????????????????????????????????????  or nodejs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But for now on my distro I can still compile jovie , I have a keyboard
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> multipmedia keys so my workflow is to copy paste stuff in clipboard and
> >>>>> using my keys I can play/pause/resume. I still use espeak as backend
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> voice speed set to max.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello Simon,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I saw your old message on the accessibility
> >>>>>> list.????????????????????????????????????????????  I also have serious
> >>>>>> eye
> >>>>>> problems, though I am not
> >>>>>> blind.????????????????????????????????????????????  I have been using
> >>>>>> Jovie
> >>>>>> for most of my computer time for years and I am trying to find a
> >>>>>> replacement for it.????????????????????????????????????????????  In my
> >>>>>> situation a screen reader is not
> >>>>>> suitable.??????????????????????????????????????????? Excuse me for
> >>>>>> writing
> >>>>>> you directly.????????????????????????????????????????????  Can I ask
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> more about this issue????????????????????????????????????????????? 
> >>>>>> Gustav
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, Simion wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello, So I know that jovie is not be ported to KDE5 and that the idea
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't find if someone started a replacement for
> >>>>>>> jovie
> >>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
> >>>>>>> I plan to investigate QtSpeech and see if it works properly on Linux,
> >>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>> there is no such a project started is there any interest in it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
>
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