[Kbabel] Default behaviors (header-wise) in KBabel

[Stanislav Visnovsky]

Dňa Sobota 29 Október 2005 14:36 Nicolas Goutte napísal:
> On Saturday 29 October 2005 08:00, Daichi Kawahata wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:31:46 +0200

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> > > > > > >   o It replaces given proper header string at
> > > > > > > `Project-Id-Version' with ISO 639 language code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact it is the filename that it places there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (In KDE, PO files are not named by the language but like the
> > > > > > corresponding POT file. And the directories are ordered by
> > > > > > language, not by POT file.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably so, but I've seen many times the following case from
> > > > > KBabel:
> > > > >
> > > > >     -"Project-Id-Version: Mousepad 0.2.2\n"
> > > > >     +"Project-Id-Version: ca\n"
> > > >
> > > > Yes, because in your project, the PO files are named like the
> > > > language code: ca.po . KBabel drops the .po extension and uses the
> > > > basename as project name.
> > > >
> > > > That is convenient in KDE, apparently not at all for you.
> > > >
> > > > > This clearly discarded proper give information.
> > > >
> > > > Because by default KBabel is told to do so.
> > >
> > > In the the project configure dialog, there is settings for save (the
> > > "save" icon). On the "Header" tab, you can select which fields of the
> > > headers are updated.
> > >
> > > So if you want you can uncheck the "Project" checkbox and then the
> > > "Project-Id-Version" will not be changed anymore on save.
> > >
> > >
> > > Alternatively you can set the "Project-Id" edit box, but I do not know
> > > which "magic" string will do what you intend to do.
>
> I have checked again in the meantime: there is only two "magic" strings and
> there are those already used. So there is no solution in this way.
>
> > Please look a subject, what I asked is not knowing usage of KBabel, it
> > was changing default behaviors of KBabel,
>
> Well, the default behaviour of KBabel will probably always remain oriented
> to what KDE needs. What is probably missing is an easier entry level for
> non-KDE projects.
>
> Probably the "GNU" setting in the wizard is not enough, at least according
> to your feedback. (Also it could also be possible that for some software
> projects, GNU settings are as extreme/unsuitable as KDE ones.)

Probably. But the default behavior also works for GNU packages, where the PO 
file is named like 'gettext.cs.po'.

>
> > okay I understood ISO language codes
> > at the `Project-Id-Version' come from directories `$lang.po/', but what's
> > logic behind there?
>
> No, you seem to have misunderstood me.
>
> The @PACKNAME@ "magic" string takes the file name (in your case ca.po) and
> uses the basename of the file name (for you: ca).
>
> The logic is that in KDE the PO files have the same names than the
> corresponding POT files (except the final T in the extension). So for a
> kdelibs.pot, the translation would be in kdelibs.po. And "kdelibs" makes a
> good project name. (The version number in the Project-Id is not used in
> KDE.)
>
> > I mean, PO file I used as example isn't unique, the
> > most KBabel users tend to make a mess against the header.
>
> Probably because the setting about Project-Id is the most KDE-specific of
> all settings of KBabel. (I will have to check what the "GNU" setting of the
> wizard sets. Perhaps the problem is (also?) there.)

Yes, because the value is completely undefined AFAIK.

>
> > For example (from libxfcegui4-4.2.3, in Xfce):
> >
> >   # SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.
> >   # Copyright (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER
> >   # This file is distributed under the same license as the PACKAGE
> > package. # FIRST AUTHOR <EMAIL at ADDRESS>, YEAR.
> >   #
> >   #, fuzzy
> >   msgid ""
> >   msgstr ""
> >   "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n"
> >   "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n"
> >   "POT-Creation-Date: 2005-10-28 20:54+0900\n"
> >   "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n"
> >   "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAIL at ADDRESS>\n"
> >   "Language-Team: LANGUAGE <LL at li.org>\n"
> >   "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
> >   "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n"
> >   "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
> >
> >
> > yeah, that's initial header strings by `make *.pot', then usually I
> > create target PO file with `msginit (--locale=$lang)', in this case
> > I used `de', generated PO file has header below,
>
> To compare: KBabel's philosophy would be to open the POT file and save it
> as PO file. KBabel would be supposed to set all headers correctly (at least
> for KDE, if the project configuration was done correctly).
>
> The msginit program is barely needed in KDE, as its main information would
> be the plural formula, but plurals are not handled like this in KDE. (It is
> planned to return to the Gettext behaviour in KDE 4, now that the Gettext
> development version has message context support.)

KBabel is able to do that if you want. It is even able to ask msginit for the 
proper header.

Stano