Introduction of a "type mode" and an "unicode mode" of input

Sun Jul 3 00:37:23 BST 2016

And yes, free non-unicode fonts that support any range of unicode, such as
a language or script, should come with Calligra.

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Samiur Rahman <samiur11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I see is that if it's a practice to include all free unicode fonts in
> an office suite, in order to use them commonly, all office suites, even
> operating systems, must come with them. But it's a good practice to start
> on. Usually, we presume that the user needs only characters for Western
> European and operating systems and office suites come only with fonts for
> that range of unicode. What I suggest is to include all free unicode fonts
> in Calligra, to cater to users of all scripts and languages.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <staniek at kde.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3 July 2016 at 01:11, Samiur Rahman <samiur11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Jaroslaw wrote: "If so, as such place for its implementation isn't at
>> > Calligra level but at a computer operating system's level, even above Qt
>> > itself."
>> >
>> > You can select to type in your keyboard, by selecting your keyboard in
>> the
>> > OS, but usually you need to buy or maybe possibly download a font for
>> your
>> > language or script. The benefit of a "unicode mode" as an input mode in
>> the
>> > office app is that you don't need to buy or download that font.
>> >
>> > Camilla wrote: "we have a dialog that allows you to enter specific
>> charactes
>> > from any unicode range"
>> >
>> > But you can't actually "type" using those characters that you can
>> choose as
>> > special characters.
>>
>> What special characters do you mean?
>>
>>
>> "Users should select an unicode range, such as Greek or Cyrillic,"
>>
>> To avoid mixing separate things: input methods, unicode representation
>> and file formats,
>> please let me mention that:
>>
>> - language and font is an attribute of character in ODF and MSOOXML
>> and older MS formats, all that is specified and not subject to change
>> (and especially a change here instead of change in input method would
>> be the least likely approved)
>>
>> - the modes of input is separate from application; applications
>> receive ready to interpret logical input events prepared by the input
>> method based on lower level events (key, voice, whatever); for example
>> there were times when I've been using Hangul for testing of input
>> methods; given input method just composed entire syllables out of
>> atomic key strokes - apps have never "seen" separate key strokes, only
>> syllables, each having own number in the Unicode standard. This is why
>> I think that whatever you design like two boxes of input, this belongs
>> to the outside of application, to the input method system
>>
>> - fonts: separate topic again, their *cost* and so on - it can be all
>> addressed by working on libre implementation of fonts that given
>> nations/cultures need; that's a proper level of activity
>>
>> (if I understand correctly)
>>
>> Finally I think an animation or mockup of your proposed method would
>> increase chances to find more interest.
>>
>>
>> > Camille also wrote: "yes it is true that the font used to show the text
>> has
>> > to support the script. But a few free unicode fonts do exist already."
>> >
>> > A few unicode fonts do exist but only Arial Unicode MS commonly comes
>> with
>> > Windows, I don't know what Linux makes available. The best way to use
>> them,
>> > as I see it, is to implement the "unicode mode" of input in the office
>> > applications, with the two boxes "choose unicodfoe range" and "choose
>> > unicode font," in which you first specify which range you are typing
>> it, and
>> > then choose from a number of fonts that support that range.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Camilla Boemann <cbo at boemann.dk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> I don't  understand this either.
>> >>
>> >> 1) all text in calligra is unicode
>> >> 2) we have a dialog that allows you to enter specific charactes from
>> any
>> >> unicode range
>> >> 3) yes it is true that the font used to show the text has to support
>> the
>> >> script. But a few free unicode fonts do exist already
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday 02 July 2016 15:13:03 Huxshathra Theudanaz wrote:
>> >> > A distinction between two types of input, a "type mode" and an
>> "unicode
>> >> > mode" in all Calligra applications. In "unicode mode," there should
>> be
>> >> > two
>> >> > boxes, one that asks to "choose unicodfoe range" and the other that
>> asks
>> >> > to
>> >> > "choose unicode font." Users should select an unicode range, such as
>> >> > Greek
>> >> > or Cyrillic, and then choose from a number of unicode fonts, which
>> >> > should
>> >> > come with Calligra, that support that range.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Type mode" and "unicode mode" are different even now. If someone
>> wants
>> >> > to
>> >> > type in non-Western European characters, they usually type in "type
>> >> > mode"
>> >> > using fonts they buy. Another option is to type in an unicode font
>> such
>> >> > as
>> >> > Arial Unicode MS, and the other unicode fonts are obscure. As one
>> plus,
>> >> > "unicode mode" of input will allow these typists to type in their
>> >> > language
>> >> > or script without having at buy extra fonts.
>> >> >
>> >> > Plus word processors and email clients and apps usually do
>> distinguish
>> >> > between "type" and "unicode." This feature will fully allow someone
>> to
>> >> > type, create, and share documents in unicode.
>> >>
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