[Feedback] What did you do with Amarok?

Tue Jul 28 18:04:35 UTC 2009

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Alejandro
Wainzinger<aikawarazuni at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Eric Altendorf<ericaltendorf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Alejandro
>> Wainzinger<aikawarazuni at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Eric Altendorf<ericaltendorf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, it would be nice if Amarok could play FLACs from the beginning.
>>>> Like, really, the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> It would also be nice if it didn't consistently fail to read FLAC
>>>> metadata (possibly solved in recent versions I've tried)
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if having 200 compilation albums didn't litter the
>>>> artists list with 3000 random artists.  (Finally solved, yay.  Amarok
>>>> 2 was totally unusable before "Various Artists" came back.)
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if Amarok didn't try to create symlinks on vfat
>>>> filesystems on ipods when you try to sync them.  Not only does Amarok
>>>> manage to corrupt the ipod, but in the process it throws up several
>>>> thousand "Can't create symlink" dialog boxes.  Useful.
>>>
>>> If by sync, you mean copy all of your local collection to the iPod,
>>
>> Well, copy anything to the ipod.  Even a single track.
>>
>>> copying should not generate symlinks, and the copying is done by KIO
>>> anyway, so I'm not sure what Amarok is doing wrong.
>>
>> Yeah, it's very weird.
>>
>>>  I've never
>>> experienced this, and I haven't seen a bug report on it, but link me
>>> if I'm wrong, I'd like to take a look at it just in case.
>>
>> Hmm, it would be a lot easier for me to find it if bugs.kde.org had
>> functional search and/or a way to list bugs, open or closed, that one
>> has filed oneself. :)  Lemme go dig....
>>
>> Ok, here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200690
>>
>> It was of course filed and ignored.  :(  I have tried copying tracks
>> to my ipod about a dozen times, across different versions of amarok2,
>> and even after having completely reformatted my ipod.  Always the
>> same.
>
> If you check, there was a reply, and no follow-up.  Can't do anything
> about that.  Can't do anything with no further info.  You telling me
> it happens over and over, also doesn't help me.  Need debug info, iPod
> model, etc.  But you didn't reply to that bug, "of course."

Look at the date on the reply.  It was from about an hour ago, as a
result of this current discussion. :)
Comment #1 From Lydia Pintscher  2009-07-28 19:09:07

The bug sat ignored for 10 days prior to that.  I see no other comments on it.

I'm happy to provide more information if I am asked for it.  The ipod
is a nano 4g, 16gb, black (yeah, for some reason the color of the ipod
results in a different model code :).

I provided as much debug info as I could in the initial bug report,
but I can try to collect more if you can tell me what you need.

--eric

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if album art could be loaded at some size larger than
>>>> the miniscule default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I have filed detailed bug reports for the more severe of these issues.
>>>>
>>>> Overall, yeah, Amarok2 killed a lot of good features, provided no
>>>> valuable new features, and most of all, broke a lot of basic
>>>> functionality.  The most recent versions I've picked up have be
>>>> re-approaching the "usable" state, so I do have hope for Amarok2 some
>>>> day being good again, but man things have sucked really bad for a long
>>>> time.
>>>
>>> Generic speech is all very well and good for FUD, but could you
>>> explain _which_ good features were "killed," which of the new features
>>> are not "valuable" and which basic functionality is broken?  Also,
>>> what is required until you consider Amarok 2 "usable?"
>>
>> What I missed when moving to amarok2:
>> 1) Proper support for playing FLACs from the beginning (still broken)
>> 2) Proper support for reading FLAC metadata (maybe fixed)
>> 3) Support for "Various Artists" (like I said, essential if you have
>> 200 comp albums, fortunately fixed)
>> 4) Reliable support for iPod
>
> Ok good, details.  I guess by reliable support you mean reliable
> support for your iPod which is having some strange kind of trouble
> copying.  Again, need more info in bug report.
>
>>
>> If I can see all my music (2 and 3), play it properly (1), and put it
>> on an ipod (4) I have really all I need from a music player.  I have
>> tried many other music players and they all have their own
>> problems....
>>
>> Right now I am on Amarok2 and just suffering through (1), hoping it
>> will be fixed, and using gtkpod for (4).  gtkpod is a piece of crap,
>> but it does manage to get (not all) music onto the ipod.
>>
>> --eric
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ian Monroe<ian.monroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Gary
>>>>> Steinert<gary.steinert.ml at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday 27 July 2009 01:25:06 mail at enricojoerns.de wrote:
>>>>>>> Enrico Jörns sent a message using the contact form at
>>>>>>> http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just want to point out very quickly how dissapointed I am after having
>>>>>>> used the 2nd generation of Amarok.
>>>>>>> How could you remove all the very good things that made Amarok to my
>>>>>>> veryvery favourite music player?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was nearly shocked how bad 2.1 is!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No possibilty to delete files out of playlist
>>>>>> This has been part of the playlist since 2.0 was released IIRC. Either right
>>>>>> click -> Remove from Playlist or use the icon at the bottom of the playlist.
>>>>>
>>>>> He means delete files.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> No possibility to hide the contex window (heard fixed now!?)
>>>>>>> No playlist shuffle option (or too much hided?)
>>>>>> Shuffle and repeat are under the Playlist menu. We're working on getting it into
>>>>>> the main window, but the playlist will need a bit of a rethink before we will
>>>>>> be able to manage it without cluttering the screen too much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amarok 2.1 doesn't have a shuffle feature, though 2.2 will.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> No more possibility to easy rename id3 in playlist for multiple songs..
>>>>>> This is working at least in trunk. Never had call to test it before now so I
>>>>>> don't know what its like in 2.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Well its certainly not as easy as in Amarok 1.4.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hardly any configuration for everything
>>>>>> Like what exactly? Because our audio is handled by phonon, a lot of the audio
>>>>>> settings have moved to the global KDE settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Amarok 2.2's whole layout will be configurable. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...and many more of those little nice things that brought Amarok 1.4 along!
>>>>>> We have lost a few features, but we haven't taken anything out of Amarok
>>>>>> without careful consideration. There are features that we haven't been able to
>>>>>> implement yet due to other restrictions. Like the graphic equaliser which,
>>>>>> until recently was not supported by phonon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if you take a look at 2.1, you'll find a great deal of new and interesting
>>>>>> features, such as a big increase in the number of internet services that you
>>>>>> can access right from within Amarok. And a new, more powerful scripting
>>>>>> interface that will allow a whole new array of scripts to be written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, sorry, but as long as I can, I will try to youse the old Amarok, hope
>>>>>>> it will run in 4.0 too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please bring back life to Amarok! There are so many people who wish that!
>>>>>> Amarok is very much alive =) It's just evolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. :) Amarok 2.1 already has everything I need, outside of some
>>>>> regressions with the dynamic playlist which I'm working on now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
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