[Feedback] Amarok 2 UI/playlist feedback
Leo Franchi
lfranchi at gmail.com
Sat Aug 4 16:27:47 UTC 2007
On 8/4/07, Serhiy Veryovka <4bugzilla at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> I understand that in this case (in case of anyopen source project) the
> decision is up to develops. And there is no option. But I wanted to write my
> comments in case you are interested. If not, just don't read the rest of
> this email.
>
> > So as part of the UI reworking for Amarok 2, the playlist is seeing a
> rebirth of sorts. While it still lists Tracks, Titles, and other tags, it
> will no >longer be constrained by the old fashioned playlist column format.
> From my personal point of view the winamp-like play list is old fashioned.
> Just look what you can do with winamp's playlist. You can have it and watch
> it and that's it. And compare this to the playlist of iTunes. You can sort
> by different columns, prevent some tracks from playing without remowing them
> from playlist. I was able to the the same in old version of Amarok. When I
> look to mockups you've pointed I see that the only difference between you
> new playlist and more-than-10-years-old winamp's playlist is that it can
> display additional tags excepto of artist, track name and track length. And
> also it allows you to filter content. But what it I want to sort my playlist
> by score or by plays count (or by anything elase).
>
> The other thing that comes to my mind when I look to these mockups is why
> are so many space on the screen are occupied by something that is not
> playlist. From my point of view the base thing for mucis player is list of
> songs. And that's why I expect it occupy most of player's space. But on your
> mockups I can see something different. I see that KDE's plasma desktop is on
> the middle of the player and occupies a lot of space. But I have that
> desktop without my music player. Why do I need it inside of my player? I can
> see it if I need without player.
>
Just to clarify, you will not have the plasma desktop inside of
amarok. We are merely using the the plasma library to create a
plasma-*like* area inside amarok.
There will be amarok-specific applets, and amarok-specific information, to
be found. You might (not sure yet) also be able to put Plasma applets into
amarok, but that is by no means the goal. So think of it as the reborn
Context Browser.
Integration with wikipedia and other web resources is good feature. It is
> good for my if it can work on my manual demand. But if I will have player
> with context view opened will it do http request to the wikipedia for the
> each new track or artist currently playing in my playlist? You know we have
> slow netwok connectoin here in Ukraine. And I can'timagine how it will work
> on my home computer.
>
> Please don't take my comments to seriously. I didn't wanted to offend you.
> It is your project and you are free to do whatever you want. I understand
> this.
> I'm just a bit dissapointed :-( . But I live it out. I guess I can use
> something elase that suits me more. I've heard Rythmbox is not so bad.
>
> Thanks,
> Serhiy
>
> On 8/1/07, Hans Chen <hanswchen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Have you taken a look at the mockup in the article?
> > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_mockup.png
> > You see that the playlist will display more information than just the
> > title and artist.
> >
> > (From the article you linked to)
> > "Amarok is in many ways inspired by XMMS, which in turn bears a lot of
> > resemblance to Winamp. Basically, it's a music player with a multi-column
> > playlist that displays information from tags contained within the media
> > files. Now, these multi-column playlists have not really changed much over
> > the last decade, except that different applications have added interesting
> > ways to sort, filter, and edit tags. Amarok is particularly good at sorting
> > and filtering, and half decent at tag editing (see JuK<http://developer.kde.org/%7Ewheeler/juk.html>as an example of a player with an amazing tag editor). But none of these
> > functions really require Amarok to present its playlist in a rigid column
> > format, except for traditional reasons. So as part of the UI reworking for
> > Amarok 2, the playlist is seeing a rebirth of sorts. While it still lists
> > Tracks, Titles, and other tags, it will no longer be constrained by the old
> > fashioned playlist column format."
> >
> > If you want to know more about the Amarok 2 development, I suggest you
> > to have a look at the developers' blogs ( http://amarok.kde.org/blog ).
> > For example, here's a sneak preview of the playlist: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/456-Sneak-peak,-pretty-playlist,-raw-plasma.html
> >
> >
> > With that said, I hope someone will give you a better explanation.
> >
> > With best regards,
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > On 7/31/07, Leo Franchi < lfranchi at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 7/31/07, 4bugzilla at gmail.com < 4bugzilla at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Serhiy sent a message using the contact form at
> > > > http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact.
> > > >
> > > > The main source of information about Amarok 2 Development I was able
> > > > to
> > > > find is the following articale
> > > > http://dot.kde.org/1173761811/
> > > > It gives some guidelines how interface of Amarok 2 will look. From
> > > > this
> > > > article:
> > > > --
> > > > You may first wonder "Where is the playlist?" as I and a few of my
> > > > peers
> > > > on IRC initially wondered, but if you look closely, the list on the
> > > > right
> > > > is actually the playlist, only it's broken free from its old format.
> > > > --
> > > > And I wan to ask you the same question. Where is the playlist? As
> > > > far as I
> > > > can see from the article "playlist" it is what we can see on the
> > > > right of
> > > > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_4x_amarok.png
> > > >
> > > > image. I mean that screen is split into 3 parts where on the middle
> > > > is
> > > > former "context view" and "playlist" is what is right to the context
> > > > view.
> > > >
> > > > Is this correct?
> > > >
> > > > If so I want to ask you some questions. Will I be able to make
> > > > Amarok 2
> > > > look like
> > > > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png
> > > >
> > > > ? I ask this because on Amarok 1.4.5 screenshot we can see what
> > > > people
> > > > call playlist. A list with not just list of pairs Title/Artist but a
> > > > list
> > > > with all information I want to see and with possibility to sort,
> > > > filter do
> > > > some other staff and exclude some tracks from playing (via checkbox)
> > > > (But I
> > > > guess this feature is missing)
> > > >
> > > > The other question will I be able to hide "context view" which is in
> > > > the
> > > > middle of the screen? I mean it is nice but it takes to much space
> > > > on the
> > > > screen but gives nothing useful (from my point of view).
> > >
> > >
> > > you will be able to hide the context view, if you wish. without it, you won't be able to see much of the context data that is displayed there, such as info about the current track, lyrics, wikipedia, and more.
> > >
> > > but if you so wish, you do have that option.
> > >
> > > Are you planning to implement possibility to exclude some tracks from
> > > > playing via checkbox. Like this is implemented in iTunes? It is very
> > > > useful
> > > > because you can keep some tracks in playlist and in the same time
> > > > mark that
> > > > they will not be played. This prevents users from editing playlist
> > > > every
> > > > time you just dont want some song was played in this list.
> > > >
> > > > And from my point of view it possible to clean up Amarok's UI and
> > > > make it
> > > > more simple and clear. I propose to have 3 different views for
> > > > playlist. 1
> > > > is row list which is enhanced table view similar to
> > > > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png
> > > >
> > > > but without context view. 2nd view can be very similar to the
> > > > current
> > > > context view but display all tracks grouped by albums or artists.
> > > > And the
> > > > third one the cover flow view similer to iTunes (I have read that
> > > > someone
> > > > is already working to implement this in Amarok). I think that it is
> > > > possible to make these views different tabs in the playlist window
> > > > so that
> > > > it was very easy to switch between them.
> > > >
> > > > Other possible enhancement could be to reorganize navigation by the
> > > > usage
> > > > of tree instead of current buttons on the left side of the screen.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Serhiy
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