Review Request 108686: hidden items in context menu: usability question

[Matěj Laitl]

> On Feb. 1, 2013, 2:58 a.m., Wyatt Epp wrote:
> > "What would be the best approach here?"
> > 
> > Frankly? Scrap it; this is not good interaction.  Context menus are rarely modifier modal and that's being generous (I have never seen one before now).  Excepting a very few special cases (e.g. vim), modality is something to be avoided.  Neither is this sort of menu something Amarok trains users for: it only happens with this one of the eight context menu arrangements I was able to find in my current layout.
> > 
> > Short term, revert to showing the options as before, with confirmation as you see fit.  If you're concerned about accidental action, segregate them or even put them in a submenu for "permanent actions" or something to that effect.
> > 
> > Long term, the aim should be that nothing is possible with a context entry that isn't reversible with a simple undo.  If, for some reason, things cannot be undone, that should be very clear up-front.  Is there a fundamental reason that move operations aren't able to be undone? On the topic of permanent deletion, though I've personally used it in the past, I question the necessity of having it in this list.  It's not available anywhere else in the interface, so its inclusion is both dangerous and without precedent.  Conversely, moving to trash can be undone quite easily.  Is this not sufficient?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Wyatt
> 
> Bjoern Balazs wrote:
>     +1
> 
> Ralf Engels wrote:
>     I agree.
>     Hidden menu entries is a new UI concept that I have never seen before.
>     If that is used wider (e.g. in whole KDE) then I am cool with it.
>     Currently exactly two context menues are using it. So even we are not consistent in it's use.
> 
> Bart Cerneels wrote:
>     Shift for delete/move was implemented in kde's file browser already before I added this to Amarok. It's not an uncommon feature.
> 
> Matěj Laitl wrote:
>     Bart, this is not about "Shift to delete/move during drop", but "Shift to show different context menu" - a very different thing.
> 
> Bart Cerneels wrote:
>     That is what I was talking about. Can someone check dolphin's behavior?
> 
> Ralf Engels wrote:
>     Bart, you are right. Dolphin has it and I never noticed it.
>     So, it's not without precedence. Then let's add it in all places where it makes sense.

Bart, Ralf, I fear you are talking about something completely unrelated with this review request.

Ctrl to copy and Shift to move are standard Drag & *DROP* (I cannot stress it enough) modifiers. And Shift is a standard modifier for Delete *keyboard shortcut* meaning to bypass the trash. This review request has nothing to do with Drag & drop or keyboard shortcuts. It is about *context menus*.

@Ralf, we already have "hold shift to move instead of copying" for dropping items onto Collections pane.


- Matěj


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On Jan. 31, 2013, 8:09 p.m., Edward Hades Toroshchin wrote:
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> (Updated Jan. 31, 2013, 8:09 p.m.)
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> Review request for Amarok and KDE Usability.
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> Description
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> Some of the actions in context menu are shown only when the Shift key is pressed. We were wondering, if this were okay at all, and if yes, which hint would be better.
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> To explain a bit more:
> in Amarok 2.5, the context menu (of a track, album etc.) used to have all the options (among others):
>  * Copy to Collection ->
>  * Move to Collection ->
>  * Move to Trash
>  * Delete
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> With goal to (a) make accidental data-loss (or unwanted effect) harder for novice users (b) make the context menu simpler, a fancy "hold Shift to swich to move/dangerous operations" behaviour was implemented:
>  - without Shift held:
>     * Copy to Collection ->   [with "Press Shift key for ..." tooltip]
>     * Move to Trash           [with "Press Shift key for ..." tooltip]
>  - with Shift key held (updates itself immediately after pressing the key):
>     * Move to Collection ->
>     * Delete
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> However, we discovered that discoverability (hehe) is really a problem when even experienced long-term Amarok users didn't know about the way to trigger Move/Delete. What would be the best approach here?
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> Diffs
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> Diff: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108686/diff/
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> Testing
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> File Attachments
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> Behaviour of Amaork 2.7 with Shift key held
>   http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2013/01/31/hidden_actions.png
> Suggestion to improve discoverability
>   http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2013/01/31/hint_1.png
> Behaviour of Amarok 2.7 without any key held
>   http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2013/01/31/hint_2.png
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> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Edward Hades Toroshchin
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