New Dynamic Playlist

[Valorie Zimmerman]

I certainly meant no insult to Ralf or his work! I should not have
used the word suck, and I'm sorry I did. I apologize, Ralf.

Valorie


On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bart Cerneels <bart.cerneels at kde.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 19:51, Ralf Engels <ralf-engels at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Hi Myriam, Valorie
>>
>> I am wondering.
>>
>> Which of the many improvements suck?
>>
>> - The example biases which demonstrate to a novice user some of the
>> features and are instantly usable?
>>
>> - The removal/merging of the three bias categories into one short list?
>>
>> - The simplification into a tree-widget that supports drag and drop and
>> all the other stuff that users are already familiar with
>>
>> - The new "search" bias that allows to easily convert a search into a
>> bias
>>
>> - Or some of the other smaller improvements or bug fixes?
>>
>> Anyway, as long as no-one could lay a finger on a concrete usability
>> issue I will just continue bathing in the soft and sensual pink light of
>> a job well done.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ralf
>>
>> On Sa, 2011-06-04 at 12:00 +0200, amarok-devel-request at kde.org wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:21, Valorie Zimmerman
>>> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Sucks.
>>> >
>>> > In a word. I find it unusable, and would rather see the old one back
>>> > again, if this can't be made 1. discoverable and 2. accurate.
>>>
>>> I must agree, the usability sadly has not improved, it is still far
>>> too nerdy and unsuitable for the average user.
>>>
>>>
>
> I personally don't want to belittle Ralph's work at all. I think the
> new treeview for the dynamic playlists look very nice. Much respect
> for that. And I'm sure if you understand the concepts well that it's
> nice to use.
> However I think we will not get anywhere with trying to use the
> dynamic playlist Bias system in it's current form. The concepts are
> just to hard to grasp for anyone not blessed with the gift of
> understanding the codebase. In short we need to simplify it.
>
> Here is what I propose:
> - re-introduce  smart playlists, not dynamic but just build with a
> query that will return as every match from the collections. This
> should suite the usecase of a subset of dynamic playlist usage
> already.
> - On top of the Biases add a very simple similar playlist which will
> be based on whatever is in the queue already. Ex: similar from Last.fm
> based on tracks; similar from echonest based on artists currently in
> the queue; similar tracks using moobar data.
> - A random mode/playlist category. With proportional bias towards
> genre, rating, decade and age, no more for the sake of simplicity.
>
> So in short: split up dynamic playlists in favor of user friendly,
> easy to understand playlist concepts.
> At the same time remove APG for obvious reasons and maintenance.
>
> I've voiced this idea here in Randa already and it seems to be very
> much accepted.
>
> Bart
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