Main toolbar for 2.2

[Nikolaj Hald Nielsen]

"Indeed the volume does not really work."

Please elaborate on this! Is it somehow broken or does it not work the
way you would expect?

- Nikolaj

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Casper van
Donderen<casper.vandonderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> As a netbook user myself I prefer the new toolbar. It is small. Indeed the volume does not really work. But I only change the system volume normally and not Amarok's controls.
>
> I am in favor of keeping both. It will be too smalll on 15" HD laptops.
>
> Can we not ship 2 layouts for 2.3 and a dialog on fresh install, like the collection. Make it some sort of 'wizard'?
>
> Casper
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Myriam Schweingruber <schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch>
>
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:36:37
> To: <amarok-devel at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: Main toolbar for 2.2
>
>
> Hi Nikolaj,
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 08:41, Nikolaj Hald
> Nielsen<nhnfreespirit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1) Ship the old toolbar with the old slider style. All is as it were,
>> except for a few features that I added to the progress slider that are
>> independent of rendering mode.
>>
>> 2) Ship the old toolbar with the new slider style. If we choose this
>> one, I think we should paint the volume slider in this style as well
>> (perhaps with a different color for the part left of the knob) as it
>> looks pretty disjoint currently.
>>
>> 3) New slim toolbar with new slider.
>>
>> 4) New slim toolbar with the old slider style.
>>
>> 5) Allow users to choose (like currently), and figure out some
>> combination of which toolbar uses which slider (example, old toolbar
>> uses old slider, new toolbar uses new slider). The main issue with
>> this approach is that we would really need to rename the new toolbar
>> from Main "Toolbar NG" to something like "Main Toolbar - Slim", but we
>> are currently in string freeze...
>
> I don't think we should change to the new toolbar, I don't like the
> buttons on NG, those look tiny and ugly IMHO, the overlapping buttons
> is what I prefer and what distinguishes Amarok. I strongly suggest to
> leave icon design to the specialists :) What I see real problems with
> on the other hand is the new progress bar, as it is hardly visible and
> far too transparent, this is a really usability problem in my opinion.
> It is beautiful, but not usable... Also the volume slider doesn't fit
> anymore, so of course the old toolbar looks ugly now, but this is
> simply due to the new progress slider not matching the volume slider
> anymore.
>
> The toolbar NG is barely visible on my screen, and I can't access the
> volume without a second click, I don't have a scroll wheel nor a
> mouse, so I don't consider this to really be suitable, and it
> certainly is not to netbook users who don't have a mouse with a scroll
> wheel neither.
>
> So I am not against shipping both toolbars and leave people the
> choice, even if I think the buttons on NG destroy the visual beauty,
> but we need a solution for that slider problem. As we are in feature
> freeze, there is not much choice left: bring back the old slider. We
> are supposed to increase usability, and the new slider simply is not,
> sorry.
>
>
> Regards, Myriam.
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