[Bug 187154] Add kuser, ksystemlog, kinfocenter and ksysguard as kcm modules to be accessible via KDE4 system-settings

[pipaceliny]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187154





--- Comment #20 from pipaceliny <pipaceliny interia pl>  2009-03-15 13:14:37 ---
(In reply to comment #16)
Hello everybody

1.
>--- Comment #16 from A. Spehr <zahl transbay net>  2009-03-15 00:50:34 ---
>General technical discussion like this should be on mailing lists. This is
>something that involves major changes to the codebase and doesn't sound
>desirable.

>Flames should go to /dev/null.

I think KDE4 developers should be interested to start such a mailing list, not
the users, if kde4 developers are interested in users opinion of course.
I don't think it would be such a big codebase change that we should stop
discuss that.
There is even no positive decision from kde developers about that and you are
talking about code.

>--- Comment #17 from Christophe Giboudeaux <cgiboudeaux gmail com>  2009-03-15 01:01:17 ---
>Your Windows comparison is interesting and explains why this bug was closed :

>- Windows is not a Desktop Environment, it's an operating system. The
>configuration tools allow setting the whole system.

>- KDE is a Desktop Environment, the configuration modules in systemsettings
>allow changing the way KDE is working.

>That's why I don't think KUser should have a KCM. (Kgrubeditor is a 3rd party
>application, that's why there's one.)

And samba in system-settings? Is it kde? Power management - it influences on
whole system, not only kde4 don't you think so?  Also third party?
Mentioned KDM it is not only kde application, you can access f.e. gnome trough
KDM. And KDM is present in system settings.
Or maybe for the idea that it's third party let's remove it?
Kuser is very useful tool, for advanced users is no problem to add and remove
users and groups via commands but newbies? 
Please stop for a moment being advanced user. If you not using kuser or don't
want to start  it trough system-settings I suggest to leave in kuser.desktop
file an entry for system and it will be still visible in kmenu.

>About ksystemlog, kinfocenter and ksysguard, those 3 applications have no
>effect on the KDE settings and have nothing to do in systemsettings. Read  the
>comment #1 again.

Again idealistic sentence. Nothing to set so it must be removed. I think the
most important thing is in this matter is that it is useful to have them in
system-settings. 
See my new mockup at kde-apps.org. I think it is no mess with other settings
and it is written 'Monitoring'. Monitoring means seeing not setting but as I
wrote before in my six examples it is connected very close to settings.
I think developers should create KDE4 most simple and useful environment for
the new users but not stay in conservative opinions that 'I am advanced user, I
like it and I don't want simple changes, because I will not use them' but maybe
the others will?
More users (newbies, even those called weekendusers) - more faster open source
will grow.

Darek

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