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Hi,<br>
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Sorry, in brief: I think the problem of mentally/visually connecting
the target to the list of possible elements exists, but my suggested
solutions don’t make much sense (except the coherent positioning), I
see. <br>
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<pre wrap="">I'm afraid I can't quite picture what you mean, or how it would help.
Perhaps I'm looking at different dialogs...
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What I meant with incoherent positioning were probably the dialogs
for plots like <br>
- Barplot (in which the grouping factors are on top, but the frame
these factors concern are at the bottom(?)) <br>
- Pareto (same layout as barplot)<br>
- Boxplot (some options on top) <br>
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(Now discarded) Solution: <br>
A line does not make much sense, cause some of the picker targets
are not/can’t be on top, as you say, <br>
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<pre wrap="">except:
- If a selection is only needed subject to certain other settings, the</pre>
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So for now it may make sense to change the plot dialogues, but
otherwise I need to make up my mind about a solution that actually
solves the problem so leave it like it is :)<br>
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Kind Regards,<br>
Jan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.10.2015 um 22:09 schrieb Thomas
Friedrichsmeier:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi!
Next round:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:45:05 +0200
jan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d_jan@ymail.com"><d_jan@ymail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">… 2nd Usability issue
Problem: The data picker target (the field you "put" the selected
value from the list of data objects in) belongs function-wise to the
list of data items and the green "put it there" button(s). Because of
constraint space it is often placed on top or below other options. In
this (frequent) case, it (visually) groups with the other (not
directly data-picker-related) options, rather then the data picker
list and it’s button.
Proposed fixes:
a) A line (like HTML’s <hr>) to devise the data picker target from
other options
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I'm afraid I can't quite picture what you mean, or how it would help.
Perhaps I'm looking at different dialogs...
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<pre wrap="">b) A coherent position for the data picker target. It sometimes
appears below- sometimes on top of other options. It would be great
to have some coherence, since it would ease learning and make other
(more complicated) fixes less needed.
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I think the - unwritten - ruleset is currently:
- Data picker target (<varslot>, technically) goes on top, except:
- If a selection is only needed subject to certain other settings, the
<varslot> is directly below those. Example: File->Export->Export
Table / CSV, the "Rows and Columns" tab.
Whether or not the above is a good ruleset, there are - very few -
plugins that violate it, as far as I am aware. Examples I have found
are:
- Analysis->ANOVA->ANOVA (from rk.ANOVA), mixing "Design" in between the
<varslots>. That still makes some sense to me, although it may be
possible to move "Design" to an entirely separate row on top of
everything (including the data selection list, aka <varselector>).
- Analysis->Means->t-tests->Pairwise t-tests, placing "Data format"
first. Again, it might make sense to move this "even higher" as in
the "t-Test" plugin in the same menu.
I assume you had in mind more problem cases than just these two. Could
you give some examples?
Regards
Thomas
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