<html><head></head><body><div dir="auto">Moin!<br><br>I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Björn</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <christian@buggedei.de>:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>Good morning!</div><div><br></div><div>I would love to help out
with the experience as a Product Person and moderate a few techniques to
collect and sort through the ideas, figuring out implementation steps,
user and corporate benefits, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I
am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to get it
together for a few hours per month at the very least.</div><div><br></div><div>Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :) (Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe Obsidian online?)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Christian Buggedei</div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <<a href="mailto:b@lazs.de">b@lazs.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we should <br>
take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and <br>
decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.<br>
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Moin!<br>
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Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct <br>
meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better than I <br>
could have dreamt of.<br>
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Thanks a lot.<br>
<br>
The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make all the <br>
great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized personal <br>
data storage become real.<br>
<br>
So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing is a <br>
plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas I <br>
present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in society. <br>
As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This implies <br>
that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is only one <br>
shot we have.<br>
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In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further. As I <br>
live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This will <br>
allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work together <br>
further.<br>
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The goal of this e.V. would be something like:<br>
Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the data <br>
owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data <br>
without compromising privacy.<br>
<br>
Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and document <br>
the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and install <br>
tools for this.<br>
<br>
I think there are two things we need most urgently:<br>
- A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)<br>
- A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list - <br>
Discourse?)<br>
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Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested technologies?<br>
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We will use the domain <a href="http://privact.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">privact.org</a> for that. This is not a decision on the <br>
final name though.<br>
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I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?). And I <br>
hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running. <br>
Anybody else willing to help on that task?<br>
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<br>
Cheers,<br>
Björn<br>
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[1] <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://github.com/discourse/discourse" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/discourse/discourse</a><br>
[3] <a href="https://www.hetzner.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.hetzner.com/</a>-- <br>
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