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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On August 21st, 2016, 7:08 a.m. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">As the maintainer of both klipper and kglobalaccel I'm strictly against ading this shortcut by default! This was already stated by me in the bug report by setting it to wontfix.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">At the moment this would result in a hidden default shortcut no user knows about. This is bad, we should not add unexepected and unknown shortcuts. And we should not needlessly steal shortcuts from applications. In doubt don't set a shortcut by default. At the current time this would only result in a degrated user experience: either an in-application shortcut, which we don't know that it existed, started to break, or the user presses the shortcut and gets hit by surprise what happens. It's totally unexpected behavior to open this menu.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Before we start to add new shortcuts, we need to rethink and implement better ways of global shortcut handling:
1. educating users about shortcuts
2. ensuring that we don't steal shortcuts (e.g. by setting up a policy about which modifier belongs to the DE)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">As long as these problems are not solved, I'm strictly against adding shortcuts for hidden functionality. No matter how much we personally think they are sensible.</p></pre>
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<p>On August 21st, 2016, 8:03 a.m. UTC, <b>Andreas Kainz</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">In General you are right and we work on aa shortcut strategy, but it need time and in the end everybody will say. Dont Change my shortcut workflow.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Why There are two global shortcuts available in klipper. Arent They hidden functionality?</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What Is your user scenario for klipper?</p></pre>
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<p>On August 21st, 2016, 6:52 p.m. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Why There are two global shortcuts available in klipper</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">No idea. Legacy. Probably should be removed.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Arent They hidden functionality?</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Yes they are. But they still are if we expose the shortcut and nobody knows about it.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What Is your user scenario for klipper?</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">If I'm totally honest I would love to kill most functionality of klipper. Because it's unmaintained and as you say hidden functionality. I don't know why there are things like the "Invoke action". Also the menu is something I'm not totally happy with as it requires a completely differnt code path. If I'm totally honest I don't want these features to be exposed to more users as I don't think they are in a good shape and we don't have developers working on klipper (haven't had for years, I only took over maintainership because it needs significant adjustment for Wayland).</p></pre>
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<p>On August 21st, 2016, 7:27 p.m. UTC, <b>Andreas Kainz</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Its aAA default widget and it is aa usefull one in my workflow, but with the new shortcut it would improve the widget to a great feature. aa</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Klipper does have very corner-case features which I suppose could be removed without much of a loss for most users ("invoke action" definitely being among them). Klipper is a KDE-typical case of just adding features because they're possible, without any product vision.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Invoking Klipper at cursor position, on the other hand, is a useful feature, which can in fact make users more productive if they know about it.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">The shortcuts overlay is in the plans and will certainly happen, and it could expose that shortcut.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">As for the actual shortcut: It should be with Meta, following a scheme we want to establish where global shortcuts should by default be with meta in order not to conflict with any applicaiton shortcuts.</p></pre>
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<p>- Thomas</p>
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<p>On August 21st, 2016, 12:47 a.m. UTC, Andreas Kainz wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.</div>
<div>By Andreas Kainz.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Aug. 21, 2016, 12:47 a.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
plasma-workspace
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">add a default shortcut for open clipboard at mouse point (ctrl+alt+c)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">BUG 366690</p></pre>
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