<html><head></head><body><font size="3">Hey Sebas,</font><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Thanks for understanding. As I mentioned before my intention is not necessarily that don't change my proposal but that we can create more proposals to show variety. We cannot settle just on 2 orignal proposals and then merge the two to see what comes out. I am pretty sure there many other ways of giving Plasma an identity and I would love to see more.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">My thoughts are that we keep on getting proposals, we don't really have a deadline and we can probably get many more people to come up with ideas. Art contests are generally about original artwork.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">It is not about "my way or the highway" but rather, "my way or any other highway." Because I am sure that there are more options than just two.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Should we past this and not start an argument by requesting more logo proposals? We need to move forward.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font> <br><div class="bloop_sign"></div> <p class="gmail_quote" style="color:#000">On August 5, 2016 at 7:07:17 AM, Sebastian Kügler (<a href="mailto:sebas@kde.org">sebas@kde.org</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div></div><div>Hi Andres,
<br>
<br>Sorry it took a few days to reply.
<br>
<br>On dinsdag 2 augustus 2016 07:45:10 CEST Andres Betts wrote:
<br><blockquote type="cite">Let me explain the reasons about changing the logo and what stage this is
<br>at. In my personal view, after working for some time on coming up with a
<br>new logo proposal, we received a few comments and changes to it that, to
<br>me, had no backing. One idea was shared that others wanted my proposal to
<br>look closer, or have characteristics from the KDE logo.
<br>
<br>However, I am not of the preference of changing my proposal and adding more
<br>elements to it, because I thought about this long and hard and reduced the
<br>proposal to the simplest of forms that conveyed a meaning. Adding elements
<br>from the KDE logo, or the last Plasma logo doesn’t seem logical given that
<br>the last logo really had no meaning behind it, so there is not much that
<br>justifies its presence there. Some might argue that it is also about the
<br>public not recognizing the logo and what it belongs to.
<br></blockquote>
<br>Well, that's not quite true. Especially the simplified arrow indicated
<br>"shell",
<br>something Plasma is all about. The three dots are elements for plugins,
<br>scripting and (I think) containments. So the elements *do* have a meaning.
<br>
<br><blockquote type="cite">“Changes” or modifications that happen “after” the contest is over are all
<br>about simple edits. I consider my current logo to be in “beta” and only
<br>bugs and simple edits could be made. For example, the thickness of a
<br>border, or the sizes of the circles. I am not looking to strikingly change
<br>or modify the logo I created because I consider it to be near final.
<br></blockquote>
<br>That's of course fine. My point was that if we pick a logo, and then change it
<br>afterwards, it's not the logo we picked. (I agree, simple edits are fine, but
<br>the comments weren't about simple edits, as far as understand.)
<br>
<br><blockquote type="cite">However, if others want to make proposals that the Plasma team might like
<br>better, maybe it is a better thing to create original proposals and not
<br>change my proposal to be what you think should be there. If the Plasma team
<br>feels that my logo is not what they would like to have, then let’s not
<br>modify it and find an original alternative created by different artists.
<br></blockquote>
<br>I disagree there. Plasma is a collaborative project, we do things together. My
<br>way of the highway is generally not the way we work, and I think it's quite
<br>natural to suggest changes, that is how we usually work.
<br>
<br>I think people may have been confused by you making the logo available under a
<br>license that allows changes, so we thought that it's OK to polish it some
<br>more. If it isn't, that's also fine, but it explains where this confusion
<br>comes
<br>from.
<br>
<br>Personally, I find it unfortunate that you do not want any changes to the
<br>logo.
<br>I can undestand it, but given its basic design is quite popular, I think it's
<br>a shame to ask people not to change it. I respect your choice, however, so I
<br>guess that's how it is.
<br>
<br>Cheers,
<br>--
<br>sebas
<br>
<br>Sebastian Kügler • <a href="http://vizZzion.org">http://vizZzion.org</a> • <a href="http://www.kde.org">http://www.kde.org</a>
<br>
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