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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On März 24th, 2016, 9:37 nachm. UTC, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I like the RadioButton but it should say "Default" or "Default Device" (if we could depend on Qt 5.7 we could also add a tooltip explaining what that means... :/ )</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Can you perhaps also have a look at the OSD/volume keys to affect the default device? At the moment it's kinda random what device it actually shows and manipulates all of them simultaneously etc</p></pre>
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<p>On März 24th, 2016, 9:42 nachm. UTC, <b>David Rosca</b> wrote:</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I like the RadioButton but it should say "Default" or "Default Device" (if we could depend on Qt 5.7 we could also add a tooltip explaining what that means... :/ )</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What about:
<code style="text-rendering: inherit;color: #4444cc;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">text: checked ? "Default" : ""</code></p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Can you perhaps also have a look at the OSD/volume keys to affect the default device? At the moment it's kinda random what device it actually shows and manipulates all of them simultaneously etc</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Yes, in next patch.</p></pre>
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<p>On März 24th, 2016, 9:50 nachm. UTC, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Yeah, that'll work. This won't clutter the UI but still make it obvious what the radio is, granted that there's always a default device.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Oh, and, the "mute" button doesn't have a tooltip. Sorry for abusing your RB as bugtracker :)</p></pre>
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<p>On März 31st, 2016, 8:53 nachm. UTC, <b>Xuetian Weng</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Just to throw some random idea, maybe also make the "Default" or device name text bold?</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Also hope this change doesn't do anything werid if current default device becomes unplugged.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">And how does this cooperate with current phonon kcm? It has a priority list to decide which device to use first.</p></pre>
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<p>On März 31st, 2016, 9:06 nachm. UTC, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">And how does this cooperate with current phonon kcm?</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I always thought this thing was basically dead and useless but apparently it actually determins the priority of devices and causes my headset to become the new default when I plug it in. Of course only if I manually configured that for every newly discovered device, not really smart. I wonder if Pulse can just entirely take its job? I'm not an expert in that area, though. Or perhaps it's already configuring Pulseaudio which makes it even more redundant and inconsistent to have - the "hardware" tab at least also changes the settings I see in Plasma PA.</p></pre>
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<p>On März 31st, 2016, 9:40 nachm. UTC, <b>Xuetian Weng</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It works for all application (non-Qt/non-phonon) and it talks to Pulseaudio directly. And I love the idea that it can remember the unplugged device. FYI phonon itself wraps around libpulse and the final call to libpulse is pa_ext_device_manager_reorder_devices_for_role and that's why start-pulseaudio-kde exists (now it's merged to start-pulseaudio-x11 by checking env var).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I don't have new devices comes in regularly, so for now I think the current configuration burden is fine to me. Though I did hope it would hope it can be cleverer if a new headset comes in, it automatically put it on the top of the list by default.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">And as you can see, it is NOT UNCOMMON for people to have more than 3 devices (HDMI, built-in, and a bluetooth headset, maybe even a bluetooth speaker). It's not possible to deterministically decide which device is default if there's only a single default device in the config when multiple devices are available. Priority list is not perfect, but it's a possible and easy for user to understand solution to problem.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">We need to have a UI to replace kcm-phonon's feature here. It does not need to employ same implementation, but IMHO need to solve the problem (choose default device correctly).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I don't think people commonly want have sound on more than one devices at the same time though.</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">You're right, a priority list is needed. However, following the simple by default powerful as needed it should assume when a new device appears the user probably wants to playback on that device now, unless he has configured some insanity setup earlier.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Having to go through a complicated KCM when plugging in (for the first time but still) a headset or HDMI cable, which being listed even when nothing connected is beyond me, is a big no-go.</p></pre>
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<p>On März 24th, 2016, 9:52 nachm. UTC, David Rosca wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.</div>
<div>By David Rosca.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated März 24, 2016, 9:52 nachm.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
plasma-pa
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It is now possible to set default input and output devices.
UI is exactly the same as pavucontrol - checkable button next to mute button.</p></pre>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Works same as pavucontrol. pavucontrol uses "emblem-default" as icon, but this icon is not in Breeze so I used "checkmark". Unfortunately it isn't entirely clear what the button is doing from the icon ...</p></pre>
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<li>src/CMakeLists.txt <span style="color: grey">(b3e1855)</span></li>
<li>src/context.h <span style="color: grey">(8a3a821)</span></li>
<li>src/context.cpp <span style="color: grey">(115c8a7)</span></li>
<li>src/device.h <span style="color: grey">(5867fb2)</span></li>
<li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/DefaultDeviceButton.qml <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/DeviceListItem.qml <span style="color: grey">(979c693)</span></li>
<li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/MuteButton.qml <span style="color: grey">(693ab2d)</span></li>
<li>src/server.h <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>src/server.cpp <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>src/sink.h <span style="color: grey">(7db716b)</span></li>
<li>src/sink.cpp <span style="color: grey">(d412b7b)</span></li>
<li>src/source.h <span style="color: grey">(325cde9)</span></li>
<li>src/source.cpp <span style="color: grey">(fa9f0a0)</span></li>
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<li><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2016/03/24/6d5d5bb5-3619-470c-b6d6-e7693d888c9b__kcm-default-device.png">kcm-default-device.png</a></li>
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