<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Eike Hein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hein@kde.org" target="_blank">hein@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On 12/18/2015 12:42 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote:<br>
> I consider that to be one of the biggest issues in plasma.<br>
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</span>It's a case-by-case thing. The actual installed size of Noto<br>
depends a lot on how a distro choses to package it (split by<br>
writing system vs big monolothic package). If a reasonable<br>
subset of Noto's language coverage is installed it obviates<br>
the need for a lot of other fonts that would previously be<br>
installed by distros to achieve the same coverage, but<br>
contain plenty of redundant glyphs. A distro can well make<br>
the default install smaller by packaging and using Noto well,<br>
and you can expect distros - independent of KDE's decision -<br>
to come to this conclusion soon. It's a really useful font<br>
package.<br>
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> If i report font issues, nobody is looking at them anyway. See [1] for<br>
> oxygen.<br>
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</span>That's disproven by the existence of this thread. The lack<br>
of maintenance for Oxygen is something we actively tried to<br>
solve, and when we couldn't, we addressed it by switching.<br>
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IOW people definitely looked at it and that's why we're here<br>
now.<br>
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> Besides, this is a google font so i would have to report it against<br>
> their bug tracker (github in this case i guess?). But what if the thing<br>
> i want to report is not a bug at all? To mee, it just looks that way<br>
> because it has too much line spacing. But the font just seems to be that<br>
> way so the font itself is probably not the problem here. Just using it<br>
> as desktop font is the problem and _that_ is where plasma comes in.<br>
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</span>"It's not what I like" != "it's a bug". We offer<br>
customization options for users to tailor the experience<br>
to their individual preferences. Defaults do matter very<br>
much, and I've made the case for why Noto is a good default<br>
that improves the experience for many users. Those users<br>
seem to have different needs from yours and you seem<br>
overly focused on yours.<br>
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Users in a CJK country, with previous font setups, would<br>
see stuff like a clash of visually incongruent type faces<br>
within the same line if it mixed Latin and a CJK character<br>
set, and varying line heights if a line contained only the<br>
one or the other. This sort of mess is gone now. This does<br>
address real bug reports you could have (probably still<br>
can, tbh) find on BKO as well.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For me It should look good in english or dutch and that's fine.<br></div><div>Having said that. If there is a font which looks just good in all languages, they yes. That would obviously be the preferred font. Noto is not that font.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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(This was also the case with Latin/Cyrillic and Latin/Arabic<br>
mixes specifically on Oxygen, since Oxygen really only did<br>
Latin. And that's before you get into newer needs like<br>
emoji.)<br>
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> If THAT combination isn't tested by google, then perhaps that<br>
> combination is not meant to used at all.<br>
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</span>Noto is the default sans-serif font family used on Google<br>
Chrome OS, for chrissakes. It was basically *made for<br>
Chrome*.<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div>Something is wrong. I see it and the font is causing it. Removing the font removes the issue. Installing the font (just having it!) gives me the issue.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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> I'm not going to send you a screenshot. Just install the font and run<br>
> chromium. At first you will instantly notice the fonts looking weirdly<br>
> different with more space around them. Then you start noticing layout<br>
> breakage. Then you start wondering: "hmm, what screwed my system up this<br>
> time".. two days later you will figure out it's a font installed by plasma.<br>
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</span>I still don't see anything like this in Chrome here, FWIW.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Eike<br>
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