<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-11-09 22:52 GMT+01:00 David Edmundson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@davidedmundson.co.uk" target="_blank">david@davidedmundson.co.uk</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">the thing is that we are depanded to an programmer but the programmer isn't related and when we make something by alone like the plasma theme or icons we get the message you have to ask first.</p></blockquote></div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra">Yes. All of us ask permission for all changes we make. You've seen us do that.<br>You can comment on our reviews too; any visual change normally has a screenshot you can comment on. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Asking a different question: If in 12 months someone else redoes all the icons you did and you're not around, how would you want us to handle it?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I ask Nuon from the oxygen icon set if I can make some stuff there and only after the ok from Nuon I was starting to do some changes.<br></div><div> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">I start this discussion cause Uri was unhappy and for me it was the best time to start discussion about the cooperation between the plasma theme and the VDG. My main task is to find the best way to work together and I think we can improve it.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Yes different communication systems are one of the main problem. Different tasks are the second problem. When I read the VDG forum threads or the Telegram thread there was discussion about some stuff but less than 5% are bugfixing and for me reviewboard is for bugfixing, or I use it for this kind of stuff. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The plasma theme change from uri was only one example also the HIG's for Plasma Mobile was nearly the same. Thomas work on the HIG's together with Alex, Heiko, .... and as everything was discussed quite a long time Marco wasn't involved and we had an communication issue. The good thing is that Thomas and Marco knows as a long time and so I thing it was not that big problem. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">We now communicate via telegram we had there one generic VDG channel and for the specific tasks one channel (plasma mobile shell, mobile app HIG, ...).<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I don't want to separate between pixel and code guys. The problem is than that an pixel topic was discussed first at the VDG and than AGAIN with the code guys. That's not efficient. I can make an review request with an screenshot where I wrote what in my mind should be done better and we can discuss all together there. for bigger tasks we can have an telegram channel and everybody how is involved should talk there.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">As Valorie say: in the end we want to develop an better product and the communication is one of the first step to get to an better product.<br></div></div>