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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On Mai 7th, 2015, 11:23 vorm. UTC, <b>Marco Martin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I think i would like more either all panels always shown or always hidden.
however I'm fine, given the discussion on this if this mechanism is used instead.
just a question: wouldn't make more sense to use this in a private component of the show desktop applet instead of giving api for everything? I feel the use case so far is quite limited to a potential single applet.
If then more applets come out that would need this, it could be moved in bindings (of which i would prefer in appletinterface rather than appletquickitem)</p></pre>
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<p>On Mai 7th, 2015, 12:31 nachm. UTC, <b>Sebastian Kügler</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I've talked with Heiko and Thomas about hiding the panel, and they were pretty clear that hiding the panel is an oversight (especially when triggered from a widget in the panel).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I'm strongly for not introducing a whole bunch of API for the distinction "comes from panel or not", but keep the panel visible regardless. This keeps behaviour more consistent and seems to be the common/traditional expectation how a panel should behave in the "show desktop" feature.</p></pre>
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<p>On Mai 7th, 2015, 12:35 nachm. UTC, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">+1 for just keeping the panels visible and be done with it :)</p></pre>
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<p>On Mai 7th, 2015, 4:58 nachm. UTC, <b>Heiko Tietze</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Plasmoids and fix panels are sticky things that must not get minimized or greyed out. The latter is the fact for conkys, for instance, when window/task switcher (alt+tab) is shown. So +1 for the issue (I cannot validate the solution).</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It's not like the usability team was not explicitly attached to the review request that introduced this and explicitly (exclusively) asked what to do with panels
:-P</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Ok, when we show all panels unconditionally there're some concerns (ultimately probably only one) also raised by Thomas P. in the original request:
clicking entries in the taskbar will not make the corresponding window visible unless (as of present condition) it's set to be kept above or the window is <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">actually</em> minmized (where the latter will break the showing desktop state) - this might be unexpected inconsistency?</p>
<h2 style="font-size: 100%;text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">Possible solutions:</h2>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">a) the taskbar is adjusted to break the showing desktop state whenever any entry is clicked
b) keep above windows are <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">not</em> kept visible while showing the desktop
c) well, that's just the way is is, buddy
d) the taskbar disables itself while showing the desktop</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">(a) would get us very close to the former behavior and ppl. coming up with "KWin unminimizes all windows instead of one after i minimized all" bugs
(b) would eg. hide yakuake (though it and krunner can still set themself transient for the desktop what will keep them above the desktop all the time
(c) ;-)
(d) would maybe make most sense? keep above windows can in general still be activated/raised (like yakuake through its global shortcut) but without a "special" access, they're are "lost" once you click the dektop (until the state is broken, of course)</p></pre>
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<p>On Mai 7th, 2015, 11:14 vorm. UTC, Thomas Lübking wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and Marco Martin.</div>
<div>By Thomas Lübking.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Mai 7, 2015, 11:14 vorm.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346837">346837</a>,
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346933">346933</a>,
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347212">347212</a>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
plasma-framework
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">plasmoids only need to add
Plasmoid.visibleWhileDesktopShown: true;
to ensure their panel (and thus them) remains visible while showing the desktop</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">This is achieved by setting the panel transient for the (first found, under them and visible) desktop type window.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">This is mostly relevant for the showdesktop plasmoid (for now)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Notice that all bugs are only CC, we need this to be used in the showdesktop plasmoid.</p></pre>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">added/removed (multiple) showdesktop plasmoids - panel transient for correct desktop window (and visible) unless the last is gone (they seem to be deleted with a short random delay?)</p></pre>
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<li>src/plasmaquick/appletquickitem.h <span style="color: grey">(dffbcf3)</span></li>
<li>src/plasmaquick/appletquickitem.cpp <span style="color: grey">(0748a8d)</span></li>
<li>src/plasmaquick/private/appletquickitem_p.h <span style="color: grey">(a1ec683)</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/123671/diff/" style="margin-left: 3em;">View Diff</a></p>
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