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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On February 11th, 2015, 12:50 a.m. CET, <b>Thomas Pfeiffer</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Basic rule from design for safety: Don't use a warning if you can prevent the dangerous action completely.
In this case that means: Setting the brightness to zero should only be possible via keyboard, because that ensures recoverability.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Don't display any warning. Instead, when the slider reaches the minimum, display a hint saying "To prevent switching off the screen by accident, setting the brightness lower than [sensible value]% is only possible using the keyboard".</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">That way, it's not possible to maneuver yourself in an unrecoverable position but people who like to switch off their screen backlight can still do so using the keyboard. And we don't need to show a scary warning, but a helpful hint instead.</p></pre>
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<p>On February 11th, 2015, 10:32 a.m. CET, <b>Emmanuel Pescosta</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What about adding an option to "Adcanced Power Management Settings" that allows the user to change between safe/full screen brightness range (default: safe, minimum is 5% of the hw range)?</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">[x] Use the full screen brightness range provided by your hardware (Warning: 0% may turn your screen off)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">So the warning in the widget can be avoided and the default behavior is the same as on most other operating systems (0% != screen off).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">My 2 cents ;)</p></pre>
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<p>On February 11th, 2015, 10:59 a.m. CET, <b>Martin Klapetek</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">In my opinion, adding (yet another) option just complicates things more.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">same as on most other operating systems (0% != screen off).</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I can't speak for Windows, but my OS X definitely turns screen off when you go to 0%.</p></pre>
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<p>On February 11th, 2015, 11:09 a.m. CET, <b>Martin Klapetek</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Oh now I can speak for Windows :) --> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff569755%28v=vs.85%29.aspx --> "Brightness levels are represented as single-byte values in the range from zero to 100 where zero is off and 100 is the maximum brightness that a laptop computer supports [...] however, a laptop computer is not required to support a level of zero.". So it's fully hardware/driver dependent, just like it is on Linux.</p></pre>
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<p>On February 11th, 2015, 11:37 a.m. CET, <b>Emmanuel Pescosta</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Just tested it on Windows: Turning off the screen by only using the brightness slider or the brightness buttons doesn't work, the dedicated screen on/off button is the only way to turn it off (http://goo.gl/3CLDGP Fn+F6)</p></pre>
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<p>On February 11th, 2015, 11:40 a.m. CET, <b>Martin Klapetek</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Yes, which matches what I said above about Windows. Some drivers on Linux also don't turn backlight off when you set 0%.</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">0% means backlight off on this notebook, but the user interface doesn't allow to turn it off on Windows (maybe they check if a screen off/on key is available?)
When I test it with Powerdevil, then the screen turns off when I drag the slider to 0%.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">So there is a difference between 0% on the UI and 0% on the hardware side on Windows.</p></pre>
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<p>On February 9th, 2015, 11:25 p.m. CET, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.</div>
<div>By Kai Uwe Broulik.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Feb. 9, 2015, 11:25 p.m.</i></p>
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plasma-workspace
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Some graphics drivers, notably Intel, turn off the backlight completely when brightness reached zero, which is also in the spec (0 = off, 1 = very dim) but imho that's unexpected. To prevent the user from accidentally turnign the screen off, especially when keyboard brightness controls don't work, which sadly still happens quite often, the slider breaks free from the user's drag (by becoming disable for two (perhaps 1 is enough?) seconds, so we also catch the mouse wheel case) and displays a warning (which stays there until screen brightness is dialed up again).</p></pre>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Works pretty well, I just realized I forgot the mousewheel-on-trayicon case. Also, I'm open to wording suggestions since it sounds more like "we suck, sorry about that". (Note in the screenshot I used the mouse wheel, hence the displayed 4% rather than 5)</p></pre>
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<li>applets/batterymonitor/package/contents/ui/BrightnessItem.qml <span style="color: grey">(546ab58)</span></li>
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