<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">I would just like to respond to one point (and related) as the rest was pretty covered by Ivan.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org" target="_blank">aseigo@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Then again - you have Ubuntu (changing every 6 months), OS X and I don’t</span><br></p></div>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> know what else....and using an animal (weird ones in Ubuntu's case) works</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> good for all their purposes (including business)?</p>
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</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Running a $20 million loss on 60 million in revenue after 10 years (none of which has been profitable) is not a business success. That may not be Canonical’s goal, though, so I don’t personally judge them by that.</p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, they are at loss. And yet they are still one of the most popular Linux distros. Same goes for OS X which uses both version AND a codename (like 11.1 Mountain Lion -- completely made up, I don't follow their versions). So just pointing to a recent bad news for Canonical does not actually make the point irrelevant - they are still among the top even with their crazy saucy names. And OS X is still very liked I hear, despite their shortcomings in many ways.</div>
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The reason I liked “elegance” and “progressive technology you can rely on” as themes to reach for is that they are timeless and universal without much specific definition (they are plastic terms). It also don’t have a personal stamp on them: elegance can be contextualized to the team of the day and to any number of audiences. Elegance is a timeless concept.</p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's nice to hear and all, but so far the marine theme is just one proposal. I mean, you keep iterating other concepts, but please, try extending them a bit to a real form (and I mean it, maybe we'll get at something better) and not just stating them for the sake of it.</div>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Or is there any evidence it's actually hurting them in some way?</p>
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</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I think someone else in the thread already noted that the animal naming + the dates was confusing within their community communication. I don’t have personal experience with that, so can’t say.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Personally, I would not be looking to a chronically unprofitable company who publicly promoted a losing revision control system (bzr rather than git), advocated an impossible development cycle which they no longer even follow for their own devel (which for better or worse KDE adopted, though that seems to be coming to an end), failed very publicly at crowdfunding a device, is busy publicly forking the Linux desktop space to much jeering, has bet their desktop future by basically mimicking what Plasma started 6 years ago (from choice in UI toolkit to ‘big picture’ device goals) and is generally seen as one of the more divisive entities in Free software for the last couple of years as a role model for public positioning.</p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, they may be unprofitable, but again - it's one of the most popular distros out there, no matter how much personally we hate it (and I have some grieves against Canonical too) and laugh at them, that's actually even inappropriate. The fact still remains - Ubuntu releases are named after animals and they are still successful in terms of being very popular (whatever their revenue is). It's as simple as that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div>-- <br><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer</span></div>
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