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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A Terça, 15 de Maio de 2012 00:28:37 Martin Klapetek escreveu:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OK I need to talk about th elefant in the room....</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Soo I realy have no clear Vision for how the kde next desktop sjhould look like and bheave and im not heven sure just one stupid nuno is able to come up with that (at least I wish i could have more than one Nuno's (graphical kick ass designers) 3 or 4 over a periud of time so we could design somthing that might chalange you guys)</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">as it is and I'm completly over worked this days apart from some minor changes in the desktop, Like kiling/merging the cashew with kruuner and a major/clenup to the main panel I would not have anything to sudgest (and this are things that we should/can do on the current KDE...</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">as for a vision the way Bjoern presented...</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A desktop, that does all the things one espects from a desktop, in a easy/natural from a users prespective, and that stays out of your way for the most of of the day.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Problem is how do we design such a vision... </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Björn Balazs <<a href="mailto:bjoern.balazs@user-prompt.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">bjoern.balazs@user-prompt.com</span></a>> wrote:<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:45px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi all,<br /><br />there have been some doubts about technical issues that could come along with<br />creating the "vision"...<br /><br />So I thought, I might just write down some thoughts of what I think a good<br />vision is about. To start with here is a vision I think is a good one:<br /><br />"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before<br />this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to<br />the Earth." (John F. Kennedy, May 25, 1961)<br /><br />- The vision gives a clear goal (benefit) that helps to unify all people<br />involved into making it become real<br />- It is commonly understandable and does not provide technical solutions<br />- leaves enough room for creativity<br />- helps to provide criteria so that different people in similar situations<br />will likely come to the similar decission<br />- is short and hence present to everyone involved into the process<br /><br />Do want another good one? Ok, here we go:<br /><br />"The iPod will be a portable digital music player that will hold 5000 songs.<br />It will have a battery life measured in days, not hours. You will navigate the<br />thousands of songs with a single finger. You will sync all your music from<br />your computer to the iPod in minutes automatically, so you can have all your<br />music in your pocket." (said to be formulated by Steve Jobs end of the 1990ies<br />- might be an urban myth though...)<br /><br /><br />These are examples of what I think we should try to achieve for KDE. So I<br />think even though there will be massive implications with technical issues,<br />this will not be the topic of the meeting.<br /><br />What do you think? Do you agree with the outlined criteria for a good vision?<br /></p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That would be my idea of a "vision" as well - define what the next Workspace iteration should provide the users and how it should look like etc. Start with general goals and ideas, then start giving them shapes by doing mockups and whatnot and then see how it all fits with our current technology and how can we develop this technology further to reach our goals. We definitely shouldn't do any revolutionary new workspace ala Gnome3, but rather an evolution to our current Plasma Workspace. </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As for pure non-hacking sprint as discussed before - I'm all for a compromise. Start with drawings and imaginary stuff and do some coding towards the end, even if just proof of concepts (and I think we probably won't resist that anyway ;) </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers</p>
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