<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/12 Aaron J. Seigo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Friday, February 11, 2011, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:<br>
> Well... I see now how it's complex. But what if I removed all this complex<br>
> interaction from my ideas for a (big) while and just wanted to create a<br>
> more dynamic plasma shell?<br>
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</div>i'd say: don't look for permission,</blockquote><div>I didn't. I just wanted to check until what point what I want to do is actually doable and if I was in the right direction.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
just start hacking and see what you come<br>
up with.<br></blockquote><div>Is this[<a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ShellDesign">http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ShellDesign</a>] enough to start?</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>
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there's been some good and useful feedback here so far, and you can<br>
incorporate that input, even if it means adjusting your design and/or goals.<br>
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but then maybe just get started. you need to write code to have code, right?<br>
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> I mean, I can't have all geometries of all<br>
> windows updated at the same time, but I at least can know whether there's<br>
> any window opened, can't I -- IIRC kdeworkspace provides a list of opened<br>
> windows?<br>
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</div>there's KWindowInfo and KWindowSystem in libkdeui, but libktasmanager in kde-<br>
workspace/libs/taskmanager provides a lot of conveniences. though for just<br>
tracking window geometry and stacking order changes, KWindowInfo/System might<br>
be the most straightforward route.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> If so, we'd have a plasma dashboard when no window is opened and<br>
> a bar with all plasmoids iconfied when there are windows, for example. Is<br>
> that feasible?<br>
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</div>should be possible with some work and creativity, yes :)<br>
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> > > About "Sorry for being the bad guy", there's no problem at all.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> > > Actually, I want you to show me what's possible and what's not. My</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> > > intention here is not to make a shell that resembles exactly my</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> > > mockups, but rather showing an ideal mockup and see what I can do out</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> Well... I see now how it's complex. But what if I removed all this complex</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> interaction from my ideas for a (big) while and just wanted to create a</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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more complex -> more fun, right? :p</blockquote><div>Of course :) But I would put these interactions out of table until I figure out some way to get them to work -- or near it.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> more dynamic plasma shell? I mean, I can't have all geometries of all</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> windows updated at the same time, but I at least can know whether there's</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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> any window opened, can't I -- IIRC kdeworkspace provides a list of opened</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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as Aaron said, KWindowSystem should get you *some* of what you need: not</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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everything will be feasible but to a certain extent something interesting</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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could come out of it.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888">Marco Martin</font></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0,8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
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Thank you guys very much. I'll see what can I come up with and I'll report.</div><div><br>-- <br>Luiz Romário Santana Rios<br>
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