<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------<br>From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:plasma-devel@kde.org">plasma-devel@kde.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:22:41 -0800<br>Subject: the next step on the desktop<br><br>
my proposal is this:<br> [...]<br>
* a new panel layout (TBD: let's work on this together!)<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Panels, in the current implementation, are shared across different
activities: what about adding an option like "stick to current activity", in order to achieve different panels for different activities?<br>That would be great imho because, in some activities I'm using, I don't really need the default panel with the notification applet, application launcher and clock, and I would be happy to replace it with a smaller panel with some "common used applications" launchers, and a big side panel with microblog and rss plasmoid.<br>
That's just my two cents and use-case, tho :)<br></div><div>Cheers,<br><br>Diego<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Aaron J. Seigo<br>
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<br><br>---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------<br>From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:plasma-devel@kde.org">plasma-devel@kde.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:38:32 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop<br>On Sunday, January 30, 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:<br>
> my proposal is this:<br>
<br>
forgot:<br>
<br>
* a selection of pre-made activities (not running) including a trad desktop /<br>
folderview thig<br>
<br>
--<br>
Aaron J. Seigo<br>
humru othro a kohnu se<br>
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KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks<br>
<br><br>---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------<br>From: Markus Slopianka <<a href="mailto:markus.s@kdemail.net">markus.s@kdemail.net</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:plasma-devel@kde.org">plasma-devel@kde.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:17:00 +0100<br>Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop<br>Am Montag 31 Januar 2011, 02:22:41 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:<br>
> hi...<br>
><br>
> back when we started the path towards plasma i said that we needed to<br>
> slowly evolve the desktop beyond the desktop folder with icons littered on<br>
> the desktop.<br>
><br>
> now we have activities, kick-ass containments like search and launch and<br>
> grouping desktop.<br>
><br>
> it is time to go to that next step and move people away from the old ways.<br>
><br>
> i was at a friend's house last night where a bunch of people gathered to<br>
> hang out, chat, play games, etc. there was a desktop system there running<br>
> plasma desktop with the search and launch containment and a gorgeous<br>
> translucent panel couresty of kwin.<br>
><br>
> i saw it and hardly recognized it: it looked new, amazing, the next thing.<br>
> it looked amazing.<br>
><br>
> so, here's my suggestion for 4.7:<br>
><br>
> let's try something big and new. let's make that Big Move and step away<br>
> from ~/Desktop.<br>
<br>
Frankly, I like my dumping ground.<br>
<br>
> my proposal is this:<br>
><br>
> * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop<br>
<br>
What do you mean by that? Full screen SAL like on Plasma Netbook? Then one could just use<br>
that. However, if you mean a SAL plasmoid is the corner of the screen or a new top bar<br>
with a search bar and an extender than displays the icons (or another approach that<br>
combines both metaphors), I'd be fine with that.<br>
As long as KDE's file search and indexing mechanism is still broken<br>
<<a href="http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/opensuse-11-4-kde-testing/" target="_blank">http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/opensuse-11-4-kde-testing/</a>>, I see more<br>
frustration than benefit. I could be wrong, though.<br>
<br>
> * improve the tasks widget to have some of the nice features of widgets<br>
> like "smooth tasks" with the mouse over highlights<br>
<br>
I'd be happy if I could disable the scroll wheel for starters...<br>
<br>
<br>
> * an "activities" widget (i'll hapilly write it) that sits next to the app<br>
> launcher and when clicked brings up the actvities manager<br>
> * an activities switcher as a kwin effect (!)<br>
> * have all activities avaiable in kactivitmanagerd, even if they are<br>
> "stopped" in plasma-desktop<br>
<br>
It seems to me that programmers with their fully cramped task bars (IDE, terminals,<br>
debuggers, SCM frontends,...) are bigger fans of activities than the common persons with<br>
music player and browser open alone and -- if they are cutting edge -- even separate chat<br>
and mail clients.<br>
Personally, I'd rather have an actually good Dock implementation that merges launcher,<br>
task switcher, and systray in a single icon for each app. But that's possibly the former<br>
Mac user speaking inside me.<br>
<br>
I'm willing to try alternative approaches with an open mind, though. Especially when I can<br>
try them in my 4.6 installation (I'm assuming QML plasmoids and activity templates can be<br>
used for that kind of stuff).<br>
Maybe I can come up with a mockup for something different myself in the coming days.<br>
<br>
Markus<br>
<br>
<br><br>---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------<br>From: todd rme <<a href="mailto:toddrme2178@gmail.com">toddrme2178@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:plasma-devel@kde.org">plasma-devel@kde.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:00:13 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop<br>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> hi...<br>
><br>
> back when we started the path towards plasma i said that we needed to slowly<br>
> evolve the desktop beyond the desktop folder with icons littered on the<br>
> desktop.<br>
><br>
> now we have activities, kick-ass containments like search and launch and<br>
> grouping desktop.<br>
><br>
> it is time to go to that next step and move people away from the old ways.<br>
><br>
> i was at a friend's house last night where a bunch of people gathered to hang<br>
> out, chat, play games, etc. there was a desktop system there running plasma<br>
> desktop with the search and launch containment and a gorgeous translucent<br>
> panel couresty of kwin.<br>
><br>
> i saw it and hardly recognized it: it looked new, amazing, the next thing. it<br>
> looked amazing.<br>
><br>
> so, here's my suggestion for 4.7:<br>
><br>
> let's try something big and new. let's make that Big Move and step away from<br>
> ~/Desktop.<br>
><br>
> my proposal is this:<br>
<br>
I have some extensions to this, more blue-sky and not necessarily feasible:<br>
<br>
> * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop<br>
> * an icon in this S&L that takes you to your desktop folder .. in a file<br>
> manager.<br>
<br>
I think this is potentially a good idea, but I think as it currently<br>
stands it denigrates the importance of widgets on the desktop.<br>
<br>
My suggestions would be:<br>
1. Break the S&L containment into categories. Applications,<br>
bookmarks, and contacts already exist. Add some additional<br>
categories: places, devices, and widgets come to mind. These would<br>
all be kio slaves under the hood. Places would allow you to navigate<br>
the file system from within the S&L interface, devices would show<br>
removable devices and let you manage and browse them, and widgets<br>
would let you launch individual plasma widgets within the S&L<br>
interface. Individual items and categories from all of these could be<br>
dragged to the favorites at the top, and individual categories can be<br>
turned on and off. Clicking on a category or sub-category in the<br>
favorites would jump straight to it.<br>
<br>
2. Add breadcrumb navigation next to the "back" button to make it easy<br>
to get back to specific levels.<br>
<br>
3. Let users resize the favorites bar and add widgets to it. Widgets<br>
will take the panel form-factor, but if the favorites bar is sized<br>
large enough they should switch to the desktop form-factor (as they<br>
are supposed to do on existing panels). The favorites bar can scroll<br>
if you put too much in it.<br>
<br>
<br>
> * a new panel layout (TBD: let's work on this together!)<br>
> * improve the tasks widget to have some of the nice features of widgets like<br>
> "smooth tasks" with the mouse over highlights<br>
<br>
Some other possible improvements:<br>
- Application control interfaces moved from the system tray to the<br>
task manager (I recall you mentioning this before).<br>
- More focus on thumbnails. For instance smooth tasks lets you close<br>
applications from the thumbnails. There should also be prettier ways<br>
to deal with groups with large numbers members<br>
- I think it would be nice if applications had some way to extend the<br>
thumbnail display. For instance put buttons on it, or have a pop-up<br>
button to show extra thumbnails (such as thumbnails of tabs you can<br>
select). This may not be feasible using existing desktop standards,<br>
though.<br>
<br>
> * an "activities" widget (i'll hapilly write it) that sits next to the app<br>
> launcher and when clicked brings up the actvities manager<br>
You mean like this:<br>
<a href="http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Activity+Manager+Plasmoid?content=136278" target="_blank">http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Activity+Manager+Plasmoid?content=136278</a><br>
<br>
Also, if we are going with S&L, having a list of activities available<br>
within the S&L interface would probably be a good idea, especially if<br>
you are intending it to be a jumping-off point for other activities.<br>
<br>
> * an activities switcher as a kwin effect (!)<br>
See here:<br>
<a href="http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea90912" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea90912</a><br>
<br>
<br>
> * have all activities avaiable in kactivitmanagerd, even if they are "stopped"<br>
> in plasma-desktop<br>
><br>
> thoughts?<br>
<br>
- Why are you restricting it to one panel? Having several panels by<br>
default with different sizes and shapes for different sets of items<br>
might be at least worth considering.<br>
<br>
- It might be worth looking into merging the pager and activity<br>
manager. A side benefit might be that we can get thumbnails on hover<br>
with the pager.<br>
<br>
- It might be worth re-visiting whether the current default<br>
application launcher is optimal. Launchers like lancelot and raptor<br>
have some interesting ideas, and I have seen some other ideas batted<br>
around as well (such as an application launcher using a grid view<br>
instead of a list view).<br>
<br>
- If you are looking for appearance ideas, this has some interesting<br>
ones: <a href="http://icey-net.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Concept-Design-FULL-158871634" target="_blank">http://icey-net.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Concept-Design-FULL-158871634</a><br>
Some stuff is good, some stuff isn't as good, but it might be helpful.<br>
I especially like the lights underneath the applications in the task<br>
manager. It actually looks a lot more like plasma with smooth tasks<br>
and lancelot launcher than anything that has ever been in Ubuntu, but<br>
the artist is apparently unaware of KDE.<br>
<br>
-Todd<br>
<br>
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