kdereview: adjustable clock

[Emdek]

On 26-08-2010 at 18:00:42 Marco Martin <notmart at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 26 August 2010, Emdek wrote:
>> On 26-08-2010 at 17:24:43 Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 26, 2010, Emdek wrote:
>> >> Well, this is not relevant in this case, all rendering is done by
>> >> WebKit,
>> >> user only specifies HTML to feed it and only interactions done by  
>> applet
>> >> are setting default font color, check if background should be  
>> displayed
>> >> (relevant for desktop) and calculation of scale factor to make it  
>> fit.
>> >> Trying to be smarter than user can cause only problems, if user mess  
>> up
>> >> format then he simply can reset it to one of defaults ones and try to
>> >> modify them again if he wants. :-)
>> >
>> > which is why i feel that adjustable clock isn't something we should  
>> ship
>> > with
>> > the default Plasma set: it makes a different set of compromises, non-
>> > compatible with the ones Plasma does. specifically, Plasma puts
>> > consistency
>> > and scalability above user customization (the idea being that the user
>> > should
>> > not be able to break basic visual consistencies, such as content  
>> fitting
>> > in a
>> > panel). adjustable clock takes a different POV: it's ok if things are
>> > breakable, the user is in control and we trust the user to break their
>> > own
>> > things or not.
>> >
>> > neither position is "right" in an absolute sense, but they are not
>> > particularly compatible. while it's great that Plasma allows the
>> > expression of
>> > different sets of priorities, it would run counter to the baseline  
>> ideas
>> > to
>> > ship, by default, items that don't match those prorities as well.
>> >
>> > ergo, why i want to see adjustable clock in extragear :)
>>
>> Well, if too big configure ability is a problem then I can always modify
>> settings interface and hide editor under some "Fine tuning" button...  
>> :-P
>> Until user start to mess with custom configuration he has option to  
>> choose
>> one of "verified ones", which are guaranteed to fit in theme.
>
> i don't think config dialogs with two "levels" are a good idea in general

That was a joke, but if it would be needed then it don't need to be  
separate dialog.
It could for example replace preview area with editor.


>> Anyway, it's better to be only applet in extragear (which in my opinion
>
> for now, but i would put a quite severe stop to new addons in the main  
> modules
> (unless it is something really necessary) otherwise it will become
> unmnageable, so could not remain the only one for long

Yes, without changing policy it will became mess.


>> should be home of all addons, instead of own module, except few which
>> could be in kdebase, like for example showdekstop) than wait next ten
>> months...
>
> difference is between what is part of the "official" release ot not
> also whathas the same release/freeze cycle and what can be independent

Well, most of applets (or maybe all) from that module don't need to stick  
with main release cycle (but in fact it's true to many real applications  
 from other modules too, which have sometimes automatically increased  
version number without changes).
Also having two places to put applets is bad, it's better to have on but  
with categories.


-- 
Best regards,
Michal