Celeste,<br><br>I agree about the inconsistent moving interaction. Even 'cause (I'm new to KDE/Qt world but I don't think it'd be different) drag and click events are distinct, so I supose it would be possible, e.g., for Analog clock to allow clicking and dragging it to move and clicking it to open the calendar (but I don't know if the plasmoid developer has control over drag event anyway so that wouldn't be guaranteed).<br>
<br>But I think that, from what is proposed till now, move all plasmoids by clicking and dragging them instead of a border or icon is, imho, easier and more intuitive to the user, as it's what we're used to do mostly: carry objects holding somewhere on themselves (except when there are form constraints - as size or shape -, then we have a handler, as a plasmoid developer would provide or leave some empty space on a plasmoid he fully filled all it's place with, e.g., text fields or other non-draggable stuff).<br>
<br>Dismissing the border would allow the options to appear in a small area anywhere around the plasmoids (exactly how and where they do but without the move icon and that whole border). I think an extra click or hovering a cashew or similar is extra job to a simple action of, for example, remove the plasmoid.<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/27 Celeste Lyn Paul <<a href="mailto:celeste@kde.org" target="_blank">celeste@kde.org</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I´m not sure if on-click interaction is consistent in all widgets. For<br>
example, most widgets have click and drag but for the Digital Clock widget,<br>
click opens the calendar. It is not click-and-drag to move like the other<br>
widgets. I only have the 10 widgets that come by default, but I imagine<br>
there are other exceptions.<br>
<br>
The question becomes: should the on-click interaction be the same for all<br>
widgets (then we can think about your proposal more)? Otherwise we have to<br>
stick with the border interaction.<br>
<br>
Truthfully I´m not too comfortable with the inconsistent interaction because<br>
it requires you to learn idiosyncracies of each widget instead of class-level<br>
interaction. Are there any widgets where it makes sense that click does<br>
something else (like open the calendar in Digital Clock). Making interaction<br>
with widgets consistent should be a goal, regardless if the<br>
function/configure icons stay in the same place or are adjusted<br>
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On Friday 27 June 2008 07:05:18 Ismael Asensio wrote:<br>
> Here it goes my proposal:<br>
><br>
> Use icons over the plasmoid itself avoiding the extra handle frame. The<br>
> feel of these icons would be pretty much like those on old amaroker plugin<br>
> for kicker.<br>
><br>
> All icons are desaturated (ala cashew) but still recognizable, until the<br>
> mouse goes over one of them. This icon "recovers the color" with an<br>
> animation (sorry for the untechnical expresion) and it's ready to be<br>
> clicked by the user. Of course, this behaviour only happens when the<br>
> desktop components are unlocked, and I'm supposing that in this state the<br>
> user only wants to play with the layout of plasmoids, not to interact with<br>
> them.<br>
><br>
> Every action can be place in a different corner of the plasmoid, to help<br>
> easy recognition, not only by the icon, but by its position. You can easily<br>
> remember that, for example, rotation is low-left corner and changing size<br>
> is low-right, etc. The center of the plasmoid (greater area, easy to click)<br>
> can be set for dragging the plasmoid.<br>
><br>
> Visually, it could be like the image attached. Sorry for the HORRIBLE<br>
> HORRIBLE mock-up. It's done in a quick&dirty way with MS paint at job<br>
> office... but I hope it helps to get the idea.<br>
><br>
</div><div>> 2008/6/27 Loïc Marteau <<a href="mailto:loic.marteau@gmail.com" target="_blank">loic.marteau@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>> > Hello !<br>
> ><br>
> > Sorry if this has already been talked but i would like to open a thread<br>
> > about the frame draws by the applet handle.<br>
> > For people wo doesn't know well plasma terminology I talk about the<br>
> > configuration frame who appears when mouse is over a plasmoid so the<br>
> > user can resize, rotate, configure or move the plasmoid on the Desktop<br>
> ><br>
> > My personal opinion is that this frame is not very pretty and that there<br>
> > is not interest to make it an entire frame around the applet. So I feel<br>
> > that it disturbs the user visually and functionally speaking.<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps we can :<br>
> ><br>
> > * just keep the small area who contains the icons, and add a move<br>
> > icon. * better imho to a maximum reduce the visual pollution : add a<br>
> > cashew for that ! on the top right corner of each applets<br>
> > o The cashew let appears icons and text for each possible<br>
> > action when mouse is over the cashew and not on mouse click<br>
> > so we don't need to make one more click than before for<br>
> > doing the same thing.<br>
> > o Like first solution, add a move icon.<br>
> > * Other ideas...<br>
> ><br>
> > What do you think about ?<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers !<br>
> ><br>
> > Loic<br>
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