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thanks very much indeed for the detailed explanation. And I agree that such information in the app description would be good, and I guess that it could motivate one or the other who otherwise wouldn't buy the app, to actually do so!<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Randolph<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>
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Alessandro Cosentino <cosenal@gmail.com> schrieb:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">@Tom: great points! Maybe we should write those points somewhere more<br />explicitly, like on the Google play store page?<br /><br />Alessandro<br /><br />On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Derek Broes <derek@broes.net> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Is it not permissible to compile your own app with your own contributions<br />and sell yourself? If you add some great features to the app and maybe<br />change the UI a bit you can sell a different version of the app yourself as<br />long as you make your improvement and code availble to the community for<br />free. This is beauty of open source. I have my own app that has features I<br />built but they are features specific to ne and my company so I dobt sell<br />them but, I could sell ny app too. Diversity and choice is terrific. We<br />need more than one app anyway. Build away and I will be first in
line to<br />buy the app.<br /><br />On Aug 30, 2013 8:12 AM, "Randolph Carter" <RandolphCarter@fantasymail.de><br />wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Exactly the point which I wanted to raise as well. In my opinion, in<br />such a case as the owncloud app it needs to be clear where the money<br />goes exactly. Because why should someone work on something where<br />*somebody else* earns money for it?<br /><br />It's not the contributing itself which is in question here; nor the fact<br />that there's no money for it - I think we all know that the real benefit<br />and reward of working on Open Source software lie somewhere else than in<br />money. However, if contributing means helping someone else to earn<br />money, without getting any oneself, that has the potential to squash any<br />motivation for contributing for free.<br /><br />I don't argue that open source software
cannot also be sold. I just want<br />to make the point that in the best interest of keeping everybody<br />interested in contributing, transparency of any such money flows is<br />crucial!<br /><br />Randolph<br /><br />On 2013-08-30 15:06, Alessandro Cosentino wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">Sorry to butt in on this conversation, but I believe the main point,<br />on which Kelvin was confused when he asked those questions on IRC, was<br />not addressed in this thread yet.<br />Let me play his advocate here. We encouraged him to not fork the<br />project and to rather work along the owncloud community to the<br />existing app.<br />And yes, almost all of us agree that "Selling free software" is the<br />right thing to do.<br />But his point (at least on IRC) was: if I help with coding, will I get<br />a percentage of the money that users pay for the app?<br />If not, who gets the
money?<br />On IRC we weren't able to address these questions.<br /><br />Alessandro<br /><br /><br />On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt<br /><hey@jancborchardt.net> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">In addition to what Frank said, you might find this article on<br />»Selling Free Software« interesting:<br /><a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html">https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</a><br /><br />»Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you<br />should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that<br />you should charge as little as possible — just enough to cover the<br />cost. This is a misunderstanding.<br />Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge<br />as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please<br />read on.«<br /><br /><br />It’s
similar if you look at some of the other apps interacting with<br />ownCloud, notably the mobile apps for the News reader.<br />There’s the Android app by David:<br /><br /><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.luhmer.owncloudnewsreader">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.luhmer.owncloudnewsreader</a><br />And the iOS app by Peter:<br /><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iocnews/id683859706">https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iocnews/id683859706</a><br />I think it’s great that they develop both open source, and charge for<br />them too. And it’s worth it because the apps are really good!<br /><br /><br />So please be welcome and contribute: <a href="http://github.com/owncloud/android">http://github.com/owncloud/android</a><br />:)<br /><br /><br /><br />On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Frank Karlitschek<br /><frank@owncloud.org> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid
#e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Kelvin,<br /><br /><br />On 29.08.2013, at 21:36, Kelvin Hammond <hammond.kelvin@gmail.com><br />wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I'm wanting to add CalDav and CardDav support to the android owncloud<br />app and maybe some other features should I have the time to do so.<br /><br />The problem I'm running into now is that the app is for sale on the<br />android market instead of free even though its open source.</blockquote><br />This is not an contradiction. The app is open source but also cost<br />$0.99 in the store.<br />The money is used to pay for some of the development that goes into<br />the app. If you don't want to spend one dollar than you can grab the source<br />code from github, compile it yourself and put it on you device. But I think<br />it's friendly to support the development with $0.99<br /><br /><br /><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I've paid for the app on the market already only to find that it<br />doesn't support contacts or calendar sync which is what I bought it for.</blockquote><br />Sorry for that. I think it was in the app description that it support<br />access to files but no contacts/calendar syncing yet.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I'd have no problem doing it for free if the app was free but seeing<br />as how the app isn't free who does the money go to?</blockquote><br />The money goes to the developers who write this open source app.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">If I add these features am I allowed to fork the owncloud app and put<br />it on sale on the android market?</blockquote><br />You
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