So this sounds like a good point to add as clarification for potential community contributors on why the apps cost money and why that benefits the community.<span></span><div><br></div><div>Frank, what do you think?</div><div>
<br><br>On Saturday, August 31, 2013, Randolph Carter wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi,<br>
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thanks very much indeed for the detailed explanation. And I agree that such information in the app description would be good, and I guess that it could motivate one or the other who otherwise wouldn't buy the app, to actually do so!<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Randolph<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>
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Alessandro Cosentino <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cosenal@gmail.com');" target="_blank">cosenal@gmail.com</a>> schrieb:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre>@Tom: great points! Maybe we should write those points somewhere more<br>explicitly, like on the Google play store page?<br><br>Alessandro<br><br>On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Derek Broes <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'derek@broes.net');" target="_blank">derek@broes.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex">Is it not permissible to compile your own app with your own contributions<br>and sell yourself? If you add some great features to the app and maybe<br>
change the UI a bit you can sell a different version of the app yourself as<br>long as you make your improvement and code availble to the community for<br>free. This is beauty of open source. I have my own app that has features I<br>
built but they are features specific to ne and my company so I dobt sell<br>them but, I could sell ny app too. Diversity and choice is terrific. We<br>need more than one app anyway. Build away and I will be first in
line to<br>buy the app.<br><br>On Aug 30, 2013 8:12 AM, "Randolph Carter" <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'RandolphCarter@fantasymail.de');" target="_blank">RandolphCarter@fantasymail.de</a>><br>
wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ad7fa8;padding-left:1ex">Exactly the point which I wanted to raise as well. In my opinion, in<br>such a case as the owncloud app it needs to be clear where the money<br>
goes exactly. Because why should someone work on something where<br>*somebody else* earns money for it?<br><br>It's not the contributing itself which is in question here; nor the fact<br>that there's no money for it - I think we all know that the real benefit<br>
and reward of working on Open Source software lie somewhere else than in<br>money. However, if contributing means helping someone else to earn<br>money, without getting any oneself, that has the potential to squash any<br>
motivation for contributing for free.<br><br>I don't argue that open source software
cannot also be sold. I just want<br>to make the point that in the best interest of keeping everybody<br>interested in contributing, transparency of any such money flows is<br>crucial!<br><br>Randolph<br><br>On 2013-08-30 15:06, Alessandro Cosentino wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #8ae234;padding-left:1ex">Sorry to butt in on this conversation, but I believe the main point,<br>on which Kelvin was confused when he asked those questions on IRC, was<br>
not addressed in this thread yet.<br>Let me play his advocate here. We encouraged him to not fork the<br>project and to rather work along the owncloud community to the<br>existing app.<br>And yes, almost all of us agree that "Selling free software" is the<br>
right thing to do.<br>But his point (at least on IRC) was: if I help with coding, will I get<br>a percentage of the money that users pay for the app?<br>If not, who gets the
money?<br>On IRC we weren't able to address these questions.<br><br>Alessandro<br><br><br>On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt<br><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'hey@jancborchardt.net');" target="_blank">hey@jancborchardt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #fcaf3e;padding-left:1ex">In addition to what Frank said, you might find this article on<br>»Selling Free Software« interesting:<br><a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html" target="_blank">https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</a><br>
<br>»Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you<br>should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that<br>you should charge as little as possible — just enough to cover the<br>cost. This is a misunderstanding.<br>
Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge<br>as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please<br>read on.«<br><br><br>It’s
similar if you look at some of the other apps interacting with<br>ownCloud, notably the mobile apps for the News reader.<br>There’s the Android app by David:<br><br><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.luhmer.owncloudnewsreader" target="_blank">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.luhmer.owncloudnewsreader</a><br>
And the iOS app by Peter:<br><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iocnews/id683859706" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iocnews/id683859706</a><br>I think it’s great that they develop both open source, and charge for<br>
them too. And it’s worth it because the apps are really good!<br><br><br>So please be welcome and contribute: <a href="http://github.com/owncloud/android" target="_blank">http://github.com/owncloud/android</a><br>:)<br><br>
<br><br>On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Frank Karlitschek<br><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'frank@owncloud.org');" target="_blank">frank@owncloud.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #e9b96e;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Kelvin,<br><br><br>On 29.08.2013, at 21:36, Kelvin Hammond <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'hammond.kelvin@gmail.com');" target="_blank">hammond.kelvin@gmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex">
I'm wanting to add CalDav and CardDav support to the android owncloud<br>app and maybe some other features should I have the time to do so.<br><br>The problem I'm running into now is that the app is for sale on the<br>
android market instead of free even though its open source.</blockquote><br>This is not an contradiction. The app is open source but also cost<br>$0.99 in the store.<br>The money is used to pay for some of the development that goes into<br>
the app. If you don't want to spend one dollar than you can grab the source<br>code from github, compile it yourself and put it on you device. But I think<br>it's friendly to support the development with $0.99<br>
<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex">I've paid for the app on the market already only to find that it<br>doesn't support contacts or calendar sync which is what I bought it for.</blockquote>
<br>Sorry for that. I think it was in the app description that it support<br>access to files but no contacts/calendar syncing yet.<br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex">
I'd have no problem doing it for free if the app was free but seeing<br>as how the app isn't free who does the money go to?</blockquote><br>The money goes to the developers who write this open source app.<br><br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex">If I add these features am I allowed to fork the owncloud app and put<br>it on sale on the android market?</blockquote>
<br>You
are allowed to do that. It is is open source so you can fork it if<br>you want. But I would recommend to not do that but to contribute to the<br>existing app. The ownCloud community is friendly and open for new<br>contributors, ideas and code. So I would recommend to look at the code on<br>
github and submit your extension and pull request. It's better to work<br>together instead of duplicate work.<br><br>Thanks a lot and let me know if you have any questions.<br><br><br>Cheers<br>Frank<br><br><br><br><br>
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