<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Just to let the mailing list know: We sorted it out on the IRC channel. :)<br><br></div>Still a bunch of differing opinions but also lots of agreements where problems lie. We just need to agree on how to solve them.<br>
</div><br><br><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hey@jancborchardt.net" target="_blank">hey@jancborchardt.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hey Stefan,<br><br>I’m not sure why you have this opinion of our community, and why you answer via the mailing list. I invited you several times to join us at #owncloud-design or get started by fixing some design issues at <a href="https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues?labels=Design&page=1&state=open" target="_blank">https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues?labels=Design&page=1&state=open</a> – haven’t seen you submitting pull requests or joining discussions on IRC. I thought because you said that you did a theme for Drupal you know how open source communities work – and we are particularly committed to less talk on the mailing list and more actual work to improve the software.<br>
<br></div>Others like Raghu, Kondou, Morris, Guillaume, Hou and more are doing this and help the project a lot. We are committed to quality for users first, and backend changes definitely have a lower priority, especially big refactoring in core.<br>
<br>Please understand that you can’t just come, not care about bugs, and propose switching everything to Bootstrap as first thing. This is not Drupal – ownCloud is neither a blogging engine nor has a strong focus on templating. Before you can spearhead such massive changes we obviously need to know if you will stick around and can do the simple stuff, the bugfixing which is so important for better quality.<br>
<br></div><div>And about the accusation for »lack of vision«: We wouldn’t be where we are right now without a community of diverse views and a common thread to unite them: That we want to be in control of our data, and enable everyone to be able to do the same.<br>
</div><div><br><br></div>If you reconsider, just dive in. If not, all the best.<br><div><div><br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Stefan Nagtegaal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:development@standoutdesign.nl" target="_blank">development@standoutdesign.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Jan-Christoph,<div><br></div><div>
Please do not mention me again in your replies. I'm done with ownCloud and the way this "community" works, unfortunately it isn't mine due to it's lack of vision and the very few people that seem to know where ownCloud is going.</div>
<div>Good luck with improving the UI and your vision of ownCloud's design. You are going to need it for sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Stefan</div><div><div>Op 15 apr. 2013, om 14:07 heeft Jan-Christoph Borchardt <<a href="mailto:notifications@github.com" target="_blank">notifications@github.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><p><a href="https://github.com/raghunayyar" target="_blank">@raghunayyar</a> yeah, probably it’s best to do 14px – as 12px makes everything smaller and 16px too big. That’s because the default font size was set to .8em</p>
<p>In the future we should probably make the interface a bit bigger anyway so it’s more easily clickable, but that’s a separate issue.</p><p><a href="https://github.com/stefannagtegaal" target="_blank">@stefannagtegaal</a> for the record since you quote a problem iwth IE6: We only support IE down to version 8.</p>
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