<div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>at the first place many thanks for your feedback.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Johan Hendriks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joh.hendriks@gmail.com" target="_blank">joh.hendriks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">If users are getting angry it is not a good sign, but people need to test it first.<br>
Even debian quality software needs testing on a test machine or a test environment before you run an upgrade.<br>running a upgrade over an installation without testing could get you in trouble.</blockquote><div>/* Offtopic */</div>
<div><div>I had been installing a network printer yesterday and decided to give hplip a try. This morning I found that I have no WebGL acceleration anymore and unable to start VirtualBox and some other applications.</div>
<div>I was cool as a stone while troubleshooting it and adding my user back to the groups he had had before. As the installer left only those required to manage printing. :)</div></div><div>/* End of Offtopic */</div><div>
<br></div><div>As for the Updater, testing under various circumstances took 60-70% of its development last month.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Michael <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@draftx.net" target="_blank">mike@draftx.net</a>></span> wrote: </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Maybe a warning with a link on making a backup and how important it is?</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Whatever application I update on the production servers I make a working snapshot of the previous version first. It's a matter of seconds to change docroot or create a symlink if something goes wrong.</div>
<div>Even if upgrade is successful there might be a serious reasons for rolling back to the previous version.</div><div><br></div><div>Updater performs full instance backup (excluding database and data directory). There are no files missed. If it is not possible to create a backup it stops on the first stage with the message 'Unable to create backup'</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'll implement some advanced features very soon. v0.2.5 is a basis that allows various checks before starting the upgrade process. The very first thing I will implement is sending zipped backup via email.</div>
<div>another one is the checkbox 'I agree that it may be the last time I see the following apps:' followed by the list of apps that are not compatible with a new core.</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div>Victor</div>
<div> </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Johan Hendriks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joh.hendriks@gmail.com" target="_blank">joh.hendriks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Just a thank you for all the work.<br>
<br>
I think owncloud is doing well, but it needs to mature a bit more.<br>
Mature in the department off releasing, documentation and so on.<br>
If things settle down in the future there is more time to do more
testing.<br>
<br>
If users are getting angry it is not a good sign, but people need
to test it first.<br>
Even debian quality software needs testing on a test machine or a
test environment before you run an upgrade.<br>
running a upgrade over an installation without testing could get
you in trouble.<br>
<br>
Well we all learned something :D<br>
<br>
gr<br>
Johan<br>
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Victor Dubiniuk schreef:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Günter</span>,
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<div>I spent some time writing README. It is available in the app
directory and on the github <a href="https://github.com/owncloud/apps/tree/master/updater" target="_blank">https://github.com/owncloud/apps/tree/master/updater</a><br>
In short:</div>
<div>- If it is not possible to create a valid backup of the files
the upgrade process won't proceed;</div>
<div>- Database connection detail are stored inside <b>config.php</b>.
It is not deleted on upgrade;</div>
<div>- All the files of the previous instance are stored inside
your backup.;</div>
<div>- Many 3rdparty apps won't work with the new version anyway
since they have maximal core version they are compatible with.
So there is no reason to leave them, moreover it may cause
various issues right after upgrade;</div>
<div>- There are good chances not to have 3rd party
apps compatible with X.Y.Z in the same day X.Y.Z is released;</div>
<div>- I have a full-time job and family and I spend evenings
upgrading different versions of numerous ownCloud instances in
order to make the upgrade process smooth enough.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please accept my apologies for all the inconveniences you
had.</div>
<div><br>
---</div>
<div>Victor<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM,
Jan-Christoph Borchardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hey@jancborchardt.net" target="_blank">hey@jancborchardt.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">How can
this be fixed to not happen in the future? There should be
an<br>
upgrade path for the config, and in the worst case just
automatically<br>
a backup be made, right? Also the LDAP config needs to be
preserved (I<br>
presume it should already, maybe that’s a bug)?<br>
<br>
Can you please file these issues in the tracker at<br>
<a href="http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues" target="_blank">http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues</a>
– that way we can not only help<br>
single people via the mailing list, but fix it for everyone.
Thanks!<br>
<div>
<div><br>
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, chymian <<a href="mailto:chymian@gmx.net" target="_blank">chymian@gmx.net</a>>
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> Am 15.11.2012 13:48, schrieb Mark Ziegler:<br>
>> Am 15.11.2012 13:28, schrieb chymian:<br>
>>> propbably, there came a new config with the
update, which destroyed<br>
>>> the old one. and the updater did not make
any backup of the config file.<br>
>>> WTF!<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm not very happy with this!!!<br>
>> Who would be happy? But I am sure you made a
backup before, so no need<br>
>> to be rude ;-)<br>
><br>
> your right, I'm sorry about the WTF!<br>
><br>
> but software, which destroys itself is not very
nice either! and<br>
> produces a lot of work and debugging at the admin
side.<br>
> and should definitely be marked as alpha-state!<br>
><br>
> [rant on]<br>
> as I'm used to debian-state of quality, this is
very unusual behavior.<br>
> but that seems to be normal with KDE!<br>
> sorry, I'm a bit pissed<br>
> [rant off]<br>
><br>
> günter<br>
>><br>
>> Mark<br>
>><br>
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