Two versions are good to me. Then what's next? May I add the ticket with nmm:albumArtist and nmm:albumProducer or it's unnecessary as you are the maintainer?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Sebastian Trüg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trueg@kde.org" target="_blank">trueg@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 06/13/2012 04:00 PM, Ignacio Serantes wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well, I forgot classic music so I was wrong :P.<br>
<br>
nmm:albumPerformer, with a cardinality 0:n is totally right. It's not<br>
handled by id3 tags but for classic music is in several cases the main<br>
difference between two music albums.<br>
</blockquote>
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I can, however, see your point regarding the other arguments. For non-classical music albumArtist does make more sense than albumPerformer. In the end the albumPerformers are all the performers of the individual tracks. But the artist is the, well, artist who labels the album.<br>
So in the end I am voting for nmm:albumProducer and nmm:albumArtist.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Ignacio Serantes <<a href="mailto:kde@aynoa.net" target="_blank">kde@aynoa.net</a><br></div><div class="im">
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<br>
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sebastian Trüg <<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a><br></div><div class="im">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
On 06/13/2012 11:04 AM, Ignacio Serantes wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Sebastian Trüg<br>
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<br>
On 06/10/2012 08:32 PM, Ignacio Serantes wrote:<br>
<br>
I brief update status.<br>
<br>
1) I just fix multiple performers bug in flac analyzer.<br>
<br>
2) nmm:albumArtist seems to be related to DB<br>
structure and is not a<br>
coding bug. I just added nmm:albumArtist to SDO and<br>
now there is a<br>
nmm:albumArtist in nmm:MusicAlbum. This is the code<br>
I added:<br>
nmm:albumArtist<br>
a rdf:Property, nrl:DefiningProperty ;<br>
rdfs:subPropertyOf nco:contributor ;<br>
rdfs:label "album artist" ;<br>
rdfs:comment "Album artist" ;<br>
rdfs:domain nmm:MusicAlbum ;<br>
rdfs:range nco:Contact .<br>
<br>
<br>
This looks good. I am only concerned about having<br>
performer and<br>
producer on the tracks and artist on the album.<br>
Shouldn't that be in<br>
sync somehow? After all an album is also produced, right? A<br>
compilation has a producer and each track has a possibly<br>
different<br>
producer...<br>
<br>
<br>
This is right but as there is no tag for album producer this<br>
information<br>
can not be obtained from the music file so this is outside<br>
my actual<br>
goals. Album producers can be obtained using a query, as I'm<br>
doing in<br>
Nepoogle for album performers.<br>
<br>
<br>
What I mean is we need nmm:albumProducer and nmm:albumPerformer.<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
<br>
nmm:albumProducer don't bothers but I'm not sure about<br>
nmm:albumPerformer. Performer is the "performer" and not the album<br>
artist, yes my Engrish is bad. An album artist is a good field<br>
because and album always have an associated artist: Queen, ELO or<br>
Various artists, but in the real world there is not a performer<br>
associated with the album but is associated to music piece.<br>
<br>
Album producer is not the same case because, sometimes, there is a<br>
general album producer and other producers for music pieces. So<br>
album producer and artist producer are the same case but not for<br>
performers, lyricists or composers. It's right that many times<br>
performers, lyricist or composers are the same for all the music<br>
album but I still consider that this are music piece fields.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I will upload a patch to Review Board for the first<br>
one but,<br>
what must I<br>
do with the second one?<br>
<br>
<br>
The normal approach is to create a ticket at<br></div></div>
<a href="https://sourceforge.net/apps/____trac/oscaf/" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/apps/_<u></u>___trac/oscaf/</a><br>
<<a href="https://sourceforge.net/apps/__trac/oscaf/" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/apps/<u></u>__trac/oscaf/</a>><div class="im"><br>
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<<a href="https://sourceforge.net/apps/__trac/oscaf/" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/apps/<u></u>__trac/oscaf/</a><br>
<<a href="https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/oscaf/" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/apps/<u></u>trac/oscaf/</a>>><br>
<br>
<br>
Ok, thank you. I will add a ticket.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ignacio Serantes<br>
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<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
I detect next issues with music albums scanning<br>
flac and mp3<br>
formats:<br>
<br>
1) Performers:<br>
<br>
* mp3: supports it but it wrongly adding<br>
nmm:albumArtist<br>
too and<br>
<br>
this must be related to nmm:MusicAlbum.<br>
* flac: only adds one performer, the last<br>
added to the file?.<br>
<br>
nmm:musicArtist it's not imported and an<br>
error is launched:<br>
"Cannot set values for abstract property<br></div>
'<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop." target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.</a>__<u></u>__org/ontologies/2009/02/19/<u></u>nmm#____albumArtist<br>
<<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop." target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.</a>__<u></u>org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#<u></u>__albumArtist<br>
<<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#albumArtist" target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.<u></u>org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#<u></u>albumArtist</a>>>'<br>
<<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop." target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.</a>__<u></u>__org/ontologies/2009/02/19/<u></u>nmm#____albumArtist<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop." target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.</a>__<u></u>org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#<u></u>__albumArtist<br>
<<a href="http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#albumArtist" target="_blank">http://www.semanticdesktop.<u></u>org/ontologies/2009/02/19/nmm#<u></u>albumArtist</a>>>'>.".<br>
<br>
Solution:<br>
<br>
* 0 to n nmm:albumArtist resources must be<br>
added to<br>
nmm:MusicAlbum.<br>
* 0 to n nmm:performer resources must be added to<br>
nmm:MusicPiece.<br>
<br>
<br>
2) Albums:<br>
<br>
* there is no url in nmm:MusicAlbum so two<br>
different<br>
albums with<br>
<br>
same name are considered one unique resource.<br>
* determine album url is tricky, you need to<br>
obtain the<br>
url from a<br>
<br>
track, a method complicated because previous<br>
problem.<br>
<br>
Solution:<br>
<br>
* add nie:url to albums.<br>
* two albums with same name but different path<br>
are different<br>
<br>
albums. This have a side effect with sets if<br>
sets are in<br>
different paths, but I think is better that<br>
sets are<br>
considered<br>
different albums, than two different albums<br>
are the same<br>
resource. On the other side, this could be<br>
handle with some<br>
smart path detection assuming some kind of<br>
organization with<br>
paths. Other solution could be using<br>
nmm:albumArtis to<br>
determine<br>
if two albums are different but, then we<br>
have the<br>
problem with<br>
various artists compilations.<br>
* added nfo:depiction as a cover, an image<br>
that could be<br>
handled<br>
by Bangarang or Nepoogle.<br>
* maybe more nfo:depiction for scans?<br>
<br>
<br>
3) Genres:<br>
<br>
* mp3: is not working.<br>
* flac: works fine, supporting unlimited genres.<br>
<br>
Solution:<br>
<br>
* bug with mp3 files must be fixed.<br>
<br>
<br>
4) Sets:<br>
<br>
* there is no total tracks per set.<br>
* the total tracks is equal to the total<br>
tracks number in<br>
the last<br>
track scanned.<br>
<br>
Solution:<br>
<br>
* a solution similar as seasons in tvshows.<br>
* a total tracks and a total tracks per set<br>
must be handled.<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm only using flac and mp3 so the same or other<br>
issues<br>
could be in<br>
other music formats.<br>
<br>
Sets problems is a minor issue, but the other<br>
three, must be<br>
fixed.<br>
<br>
As practically all my music is in flac format I<br>
will try to fix<br>
problems 1 and 2 in flac analyzer, I'm crossing<br>
my fingers<br>
because<br>
is C++, but I wish to hear comments/suggestions<br>
before begin<br>
to code.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Best wishes,<br>
Ignacio<br>
<br>
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