<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Sebastian Trüg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 04/04/2012 08:16 PM, Ignacio Serantes wrote:<br>
> Looks more near reality and more 3 normal form but seems a little bit<br>
> complex and I think that a relation n:n is missing between nmm:Concert<br>
<br>
</div>not really complex from a usage point of view as you only need to decide<br>
on one type. The rest comes through inheritance.<br>
<div><br>
> <-> nmm:ConcertVideo. There are video concerts recorded in two or more<br>
> concerts,<br>
<br>
</div>What do you mean here exactly? One concert split over several videos?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm assuming that nmm:Concert is a single Concert but a Concert Recording normally is recorded in more than one Concert. For example, Metallica's S&M was recorded in two Concerts.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
> the same for discs, and one concert could have more than one<br>
> video editions, or disc editions.<br>
<br>
</div>Hm, that is true. We did not look into that yet.<br>
So what are the possibilities here?<br>
<br>
nmm:Album nie:hasLogicalPart nmm:AlbumDisc?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, could be a good solution and even is good to solve the actual problem with disc sets. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
> On the other side I'm not sure how nmm:Concert and nmm:LiveMusicPiece<br>
> could be implemented in strigi analyzers because there is no support at<br>
> all in audio files for this kind of information.<br>
<br>
</div>Well, that is information that could be added separately like for tv shows.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok, yes, you are right :).</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
> Finally to be coherent we need a nmm:StudioMusicPiece, at same level as<br>
> nmm:LiveMusicPiece, because we have nmm:LiveMusicVideo and<br>
> nmm:MusicVideoVideo and we don't want different structure in audio and<br>
> video to store the same concepts.<br>
<br>
</div>agreed. So maybe also StudioMusicVideo instead of MusicVideoVideo. :P<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For name coherence yes but nobody calls a Music Video a Studio Music Video ;). </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Sebastian<br>
<div><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sebastian Trüg <<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> looks very nice indeed. Would you thus propose to double-type live<br>
> performance videos with nmm:MusicVideo and nmm:LivePerformance?<br>
><br>
> How about the attached layout instead.<br>
><br>
> We simply derive the live video and audio from the same live base class.<br>
> That way we can easily query all live performances, be it audio or<br>
> video.<br>
> Also I added an intermediate class nmm:MusicVideo and the badly named<br>
> nmm:MusicVideoVideo which is supposed to be typical music videos as you<br>
> get from performers for mtv and stuff.<br>
> That way we can also easily query for videos that contain music in<br>
> any form.<br>
><br>
> What do you think?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Sebastian<br>
><br>
> On 04/04/2012 07:26 PM, Andrew Lake wrote:<br>
> > nmm:TVShow is a subclass of nfo:Media so yes, it should be okay to<br>
> do that. :-)<br>
> ><br>
> > peace and much respect,<br>
> > Andrew<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Ignacio Serantes <<a href="mailto:kde@aynoa.net" target="_blank">kde@aynoa.net</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kde@aynoa.net" target="_blank">kde@aynoa.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> Assuming that nmm:TVShow could be used instead nfo:Media seems<br>
> good for me<br>
> >> :).<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Andrew Lake <<a href="mailto:jamboarder@gmail.com" target="_blank">jamboarder@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jamboarder@gmail.com" target="_blank">jamboarder@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Thanks for taking the time to put this together Sebastian.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I wonder if it would be possible to push a simpler class<br>
> >>> nmm:LivePerformance up above the media type (audio/music/video).<br>
> >>> Perhaps just subclassed from nfo:Media, since we could have audio or<br>
> >>> video live performances. Then perhaps we could just add the type to<br>
> >>> any existing audio, music, video, tv show, etc. resource to indicate<br>
> >>> it is a live performance. A concert then is just a special type of<br>
> >>> live performance that can have multiple live performances. It might<br>
> >>> even have unique properties like location, numberOfPerformers,<br>
> >>> tourStops, etc.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Based on what you came up with and Ignacio's comments, I've<br>
> attached a<br>
> >>> png that captures what I'm thinking might work.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Hope this helps,<br>
> >>> Andrew<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Ignacio Serantes <<a href="mailto:kde@aynoa.net" target="_blank">kde@aynoa.net</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kde@aynoa.net" target="_blank">kde@aynoa.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>> In a second view I have some remarks:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Why nmm:MusicVideo is related to nmm:LiveMusicPerformance?<br>
> There are<br>
> >>>> totally<br>
> >>>> independent without any relation.<br>
> >>>> nmm:MusicVideo must be related to many nmm:MusicPiece as<br>
> >>>> nmm:LiveMusicPerformance. This is a very uncommon case but<br>
> there is a<br>
> >>>> few<br>
> >>>> music video clips related to more than on song.<br>
> >>>> I'm assuming a 0:n cardinality because I have several live<br>
> performances<br>
> >>>> related to a nmm:MusicPiece I don't own.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Sebastian Trüg<br>
</div>> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sebastian@trueg.de" target="_blank">sebastian@trueg.de</a>>><br>
<div>> >>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Hi guys,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> I quickly drew little diagrams trying to summarize again.<br>
> Please tell<br>
> >>>>> me<br>
> >>>>> what I missed:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> 1.png is the example of a concert which is split into live<br>
> performances<br>
> >>>>> or certain music pieces. Still missing are the DataObject<br>
> parts. There<br>
> >>>>> could be a filedataobject for all of them or only for the<br>
> concert. in<br>
> >>>>> the latter case the rest would be embedded data objects or we need<br>
> >>>>> something new like "part of a dataobject".<br>
> >>>>> 2.png is the relationship between the classes.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Cheers,<br>
> >>>>> Sebastian<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >> Best wishes,<br>
> >> Ignacio<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> Ignacio<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Best wishes,<div>Ignacio</div><div><br></div><br>